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05-12-09
Hi, i bought the tw raven ac unheard.it was the wisest move ... Audiopat
05-12-09
Hifigary, member madfloyd did just do what you are consideri ... Peterayer
05-12-09
Hifi gary, is you're dealer brooks berdan? Taters
05-12-09
Taters:...shhhhhhh.....he may find out about my "infide ... Hifigary
05-12-09
Hifigary, in case you're still interested in a vpi, check o ... Isanchez
05-12-09
Hifi gary, i have the same table as you minus the triplanar ... Taters
05-12-09
Taters, no offense but brooks, whom i have known for a long ... Hifigary
05-13-09
Hifigary, it seems that you're pretty set on the tw raven o ... Isanchez
05-13-09
Hifi gary, i meant you should try and listen to the tw rave ... Taters
05-13-09
If you want a small footprint, the one is the one to go for, ... David12
05-13-09
How about a used sme 10? it too is built to last a lifetime ... Peterayer
05-13-09
No brick and mortar dealer can sell every line. the honest ... Narrod
05-13-09
Wendell, i agree. just trying to get much better sound, spee ... Hifigary
05-13-09
I have had many turntables i now have raven ac1 heard tw rav ... Ebm
05-13-09
Hifigary, if the vpi classic is as good as the hype it may ... Narrod
05-13-09
Hifigary, i upgraded from a vpi scoutmaster with 9sig arm t ... Jdolgin
05-13-09
Hifigary, if after adding the triplanar there is still some ... Isanchez
05-13-09
Isanchez and others, thanks for your suggestions. i have not ... Hifigary
05-13-09
Hifigary, good luck with your analog therapy! if you can, ... Isanchez
05-13-09
Hifigary, the hovland is outstanding. in my opinion you' ... Narrod
05-16-09
One of the biggest "phoney" rip offs in the high e ... Sirspeedy
05-17-09
Sirspeedy, before i read your response i ( with my dealer's ... Hifigary
05-17-09
Sirspeedy, i would have agreed with you years ago, but compa ... Dgad
05-17-09
i agree with you. unfortunatey it is not the performance, wh ... Syntax
05-17-09
Sirspeedy, i'm a vpi fan but have you heard the raven? it s ... Narrod
05-17-09
I have to admit i had expected some nasty responses to my &q ... Sirspeedy
05-17-09
In deciding if a response is worthy or not, enough has been ... Dgad
05-17-09
If the response is an insinuation towards my post,i might ad ... Sirspeedy
05-18-09
Interesting thread. i'm not sure how much of it i find to ag ... Mosin
05-18-09
Sirspeedy et al, i do see ss's point. there is a lot of unsu ... Lewm
05-18-09
Sirspeedy, if you find the raven overpriced, then i wonder ... Dgad
05-18-09
i listened to the raven ac a lot more times (i have one) and ... Halcro
05-18-09
The fact that a product is "flavour of the month" ... David12
05-18-09
May i ask, are the raven sold via regular dealers or direct ... Syntax
05-18-09
Sirspeedy, you have a long way to go to convince me that i m ... Stiltskin
05-18-09
Sirspeedy has an issue of other sorts. he has sold off his ... Dgad
05-18-09
The raven one is not overpriced, the ac and blacknight are, ... Mordante
05-18-09
sirspeedy,bashing is ok, imo. for instance, i just had a w ... Dlanselm
05-18-09
People can get so passionate about this hobby. there are no ... Narrod
05-18-09
Dlanselm i like your stance on conrolled opinion, i think th ... Perrew
05-18-09
I can add that i'm a very happy owner of a raven one. i upg ... Madfloyd
05-18-09
Ok,i understand how you guys can feel....yet,my experiences ... Sirspeedy
05-18-09
Perrew, your questions are very relevant, though perhaps be ... Dlanselm
05-18-09
sirspeedy, thanks for the response. would you be willing ... Dlanselm
05-18-09
Dlanselm, i agree and will contact you directly regarding th ... Perrew
05-18-09
Dlanselm,sorry but i've learned my lesson!i'm done on the su ... Sirspeedy
05-18-09
Madfloyd, could you describe the differences you hear betwee ... Peterayer
05-18-09
Sirspeedy --i am puzzled by your refusal to mention anything ... Goldeneraguy
05-18-09
Sirspeedy, yes the oracle delphi is an excellent table but a ... Stiltskin
05-18-09
Really,this is getting a good bit out of control!why i am as ... Sirspeedy
05-18-09
Since i am an oracle owner let me chime in here. compared t ... Radicalsteve
05-18-09
I find audiogon threads to be informative and entertaining. ... Peterayer
05-18-09
I was asked by a poster here to jump in and add my thoughts, ... Emailists
05-18-09
Thanks, sirspeedy for the information. Dlanselm
05-18-09
Hifigary - i think the raven one would be a huge improvement ... Darkstar57
05-18-09
i own both a tw raven ac-3 and vpi hrx tables. both are ... Downunder
05-19-09
Emailists: could you comment on your additions, the platf ... David12
05-19-09
Peterayer: here's what i noticed: 1) tonal balance: the v ... Madfloyd
05-19-09: Sirspeedy
HifiGary,here is am excerpt from a recent conversation I had with a dear friend.
He is a retired music reviewer,but has considerable contact with some curent equipment reviewers/industry folks.
I am stating this as an answer to your original post ONLY!!
It is something you may find interesting,but is not the gospel,so take it as basic input....
My pal and I were discussing the current audio industry in general,and stated that he has a close relationship with some very well known folks(audio journalists).The subject of Turntables came up,and VPI was included here.
His story was interesting,as he'd mentioned there was a "serious" comparison(I was asked not to be overly specific)between the "latest" VPI Super Scoutmaster and a European six figure table,that had been considerd the Holy Grail at this point.
The comparison was very carefully carried out(from what I was told).These guys know what they are doing!
The VPI came in at almost exactly the same "standard of sound" as the BIG BOY design.Basically they had to really stretch,to figure out which table was "on" at the time.
I was told this was not going to be exposed in any venue,BUT is is a "fact"!
A well designed,not overly costly design outpointing/equalling(to some high brow folks)an extremely expensive/flawlessly set up high end design,that was previously considered unbeatable!
Draw your own conclusions!!
Btw,as to the mention of an Oracle being rather bass shy...I don't believe that to be the case!!
I used to own four tower Huge Infinity speakers.The Oracle literally blew the doors off of my previous listening space.The speakers had big time bass capability,and the Oracle "did" my LP's to the max!
I ALWAYS try to hear "exact" same LP's on different systems,because in the real world NOBODY can do serious A/B'ing anymore.Let's get real!!
It is not a stretch to understand that when some folks move on to a new table,there is usually some other updates/upgrades done as well.Do we "all" really give credit "only" to a new component,after other variables are done to the system too?
If that were the case,I'd have been blown away by a plethora of new componentry in my old rig,after "just" employing a mere 70 dollar PS Audio wall wart product.The wall wart was a huge improvement in bass,but I'd made other changes as well.I could have easily thought it was my table/arm/cartridge/amp upgrade/tubes...you name it.Ya live and learn-:)
Btw,yes,I am no longer actively an audio system owner.So what?
I've gotten "back" to collecting acoustic fretted instruments,and studying Music Theory( a pain in the butt,but it needs to be understood).That was my passion before audio,when my kids were babies.I need to have some physical interaction with music these days.Just my own take and NO MORE than that,regardless of who says what!
Btw,my sound is definitely better than yours-:)I'm kidding.Don't get peeved.
I think I still know a thing or two about decent sound,and good value.
I hope someone saves a few bucks,if considering what "gives" in this hobby.Yer not going to go wrong with a newer VPI,if you get it set up "correctly"!You may have enough left over to take a nice vacation this year.
Still,guys like Stiltskin,and especially Downunder surely have systems to be proud of.What's not to like?
That takes nothing away from expensive stuff,which still happens to be quite good!
Adios
Sirspeedy (Threads | Answers | This Thread)
05-19-09
This has become both informative and entertaining. by madfl ... Peterayer
05-19-09
Now that i've caught my breath, i guess it was the oracle tu ... Peterayer
05-19-09
"p" ...if the table could not "do bass", ... Sirspeedy
05-19-09
Sirspeedy, no offense intended. it was all about your use o ... Peterayer
05-19-09
If so,sorry for my defensiveness. btw,i did check the tes ... Sirspeedy
05-19-09
I'm convinced the oracle will do low end well though it just ... Stiltskin
05-20-09
Since when does a "story" become a "fact" ... Headsnappin
05-20-09
I just went to see the berlin staatskapelle do mahler #8 at ... Ebm
05-23-09
Ebm what did your new ac1 replace and which were the other ... Stiltskin
05-23-09
I'm not sure there is any utility to threads like these. whi ... Stew3859
06-01-09
Tw acustic/vpi 2 great turntables well made great service bo ... Ebm
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