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  Are our 'test' records adequate?
Most of us have some favourite records with which to check the health of our systems, or to assess a new component within our systems.
These records are often carried with us whenever we wish to assess a completely foreign system in a different environment. I have my favourite ‘test’ records, some of which I continue to use even after 30 years. I know them (or parts of them), so intimately that I feel confident in my ability to assess a component or complete system after just one listen.
I know other audiophiles who have specialised their ‘test’ records to such an extent that they have different discs to evaluate for Voice, Bass, Large Orchestral, Chamber, Piano, Strings, Drums, Jazz, Rock.
Almost invariably, these vinyl discs are superbly recorded and sound stunning, not just on very fine systems, but also on average systems.
Of course, because each of us knows his own discs so intimately, it is possible to assess the 'omissions'in a foreign system by memory, often to the puzzlement of those to whom the discs are not so well known and to whom the sound had been thoroughly satisfying and impressive?
But I have begun to wonder recently, if this is in fact the most reliable method of evaluating components and systems?
I am sure most of us have heard records on our systems which are almost unlistenable or certainly unpleasant and we have simply placed these discs in the 'never to played' shelf of our storage unit?
But perhaps some of these records might be more revealing than our fabulously recorded 'test' material?
For some time I have been disturbed by two records in my collection, which despite their fame, have sounded poorly (in various parts) despite improvements to my turntable, speakers, amplifiers and cartridges.

Harvest by Neil Young on Reprise (7599-27239-1) has some nicely recorded tracks (Out On The Weekend, Harvest, Heart Of Gold) as well as 2 tracks (Alabama, Words), which have confounded me with their leaness, lack of real bass, vocal distortion and complete lack of depth. The album was recorded at four different venues with three different Producers and those two tracks share the same Producers and venues.
After mounting a Continuum Copperhead arm as well as a DaVinci 12" Grandezza on my Raven AC-3 and carefully setting arm/cartridge geometries with the supplied Wally Tractor and Feikert disc protractor, I was actually able to listen to these tracks without flinching, and could now clearly ascertain the 'out-of-key' harmonies of Stephen Stills together with the clearly over-dubbed lead guitar boosted above the general sound level on the right channel and the completely flat soundstage.

Respighi Pines of Rome (Reiner on the Classic Records re-issue of the RCA LSC-2436) had always brought my wife storming down the hallway at the 'screeching' Finale whilst I scrambled for the volume control to save my bleeding ears.
Again with the two stellar arms and strict geometry, the 117 musicians could not hide the shrill, thin and overloaded recording levels of the horns (particularly the trumpets).
But the wife stayed away and my volume level remained unchanged.

My wonderfully recorded 'test' records had sounded just fine with my previous Hadcock arm but it's only now, when two 'horror' discs can be appreciated, that I truly believe my system 'sings'.
Perhaps we could re-listen to some 'horror' discs in our collection and, with some adjustments to our set-up, make them, if not enjoyable, at least listenable?
Halcro  (System | Reviews | Threads | Answers | This Thread)

03-13-09
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03-13-09   ...to have the "reference" records is the main pai ...   Prcinka

03-13-09   "am sure most of us have heard records on our systems w ...   Mapman

03-13-09   It was just one record, chopin's second piano concerto by ch ...   Uru975

03-13-09   Dear halcro: that depend, " adequate " to what? wh ...   Rauliruegas

03-13-09   Dear halcro: i forgot: yes, imho mines are " adequate & ...   Rauliruegas

03-14-09   " tweaking using the current best sounding recording (t ...   Halcro

03-14-09   "that the whole analog rig distortions goes lower so no ...   Halcro

03-14-09   Our memories of what it sounded like a half an hour ago are ...   Jaybo

03-14-09   Jaybo is dead on here. "sonic memory" is indeed v ...   Audiofeil

03-14-09   Dear jaybo: with all respect imho that's a " legendary ...   Rauliruegas

03-14-09   Agree with raul. the "audio memory is short" truis ...   Dougdeacon

03-14-09   I agree with raul and doug. i can still distinctly remember ...   Halcro

03-14-09   Ps did i miss something? why did jaybo bring up 'sonic memor ...   Halcro

03-14-09   Dear halcro: i think that only jaybo can/could give you the ...   Rauliruegas

03-15-09   Dear doug: btw, no hi-jack here it is only that doug point o ...   Rauliruegas

03-15-09   Halcro--i'm so glad (relieved) to hear your response to the ...   Jdaniel13

03-15-09   Here is a list of pretty popular, famous classical lps that ...   Jdaniel13

03-16-09   "how in the world does one know how to assess a system ...   Halcro

03-16-09   "as for the question on assessing a system accurately?. ...   Jdaniel13

03-16-09   That's a great idea jdaniel! i too would like to compare rec ...   Halcro

03-17-09   I'll try to clarify...you go from store to store with neil y ...   Jaybo

03-17-09   Impossible for who?   Headsnappin

03-18-09   I beg to disagree jaybo. when i hear a 'foreign' system play ...   Halcro

03-18-09   thank you for this reminder, i didn't listen to this record ...   Syntax

03-18-09   May i add? mean - really mean - is another lsc: 2225 witches ...   Syntax

03-18-09   Congratulations on your system set-up syntax and a nice tip ...   Halcro

03-20-09   You know, another tas-lister that makes me scratch my head i ...   Jdaniel13

03-20-09   After your advice jdaniel, i pulled out witches brew and lis ...   Halcro

03-20-09: Downunder
Halcro

Could it be that these early recordings were mastered with nice tube electronics and sound as intended and therefore sound great with excellent tube gear?.

Being feed by SS amps will sound brighter and leaner in these mentioned upper frequencies as that is the overall tonal quality of SS amp's compared to great tube amps :-)

Downunder  (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)


03-20-09   Hi shane, fair point :) i personally love tubes.........and ...   Halcro

03-20-09   hi henry, got that davinci arm singing now? i totally ...   Downunder

03-20-09   Yes shane....the davinci sings as well as the copperhead. ag ...   Halcro

03-20-09   Here's another one for you jdaniel. tchaikovsky romeo $ juli ...   Halcro

03-20-09   Thanks halcro, re: munch's r & j and till, this one i have ...   Jdaniel13

03-20-09   Sorry syntax. it was your advice about witches brew. thanks.   Halcro

05-12-09   Good topic, invite here to read this interesting piece writt ...   Tuboo

05-12-09   Tuboo, good stuff. i agree with the process outlined as ...   Mapman

05-13-09   some very perceptive reflections tuboo. thanks   Halcro

05-13-09   Thanks for reply. it intrigued me in 1994 the moment i read ...   Tuboo

05-13-09   Very interesting, turboo. thank you for posting that. the ...   Dougdeacon

05-13-09   I could not agree more!   Headsnappin

05-13-09   And it goes on. we invest large amounts of money, time, eff ...   Stltrains

05-13-09   If "raw power" doesn't hurt my ears, i know there ...   Mothra

05-14-09   Just read at some show review website: "beautiful musi ...   Tuboo

05-14-09   having swapped in a garrott p77 mm cartridge for my zyx univ ...   Halcro

05-15-09   Dear halcro: i know very well that p-77 in several tonearms ...   Rauliruegas

05-16-09   Dear raul, i have the 3 motor raven and i reverse the phase ...   Halcro

05-16-09   Dear halcro: i respect your opinion ( maybe i'm wrong ) but ...   Rauliruegas

05-17-09   Dear raul, i spoke too early. because i had played the garro ...   Halcro

11-23-10   Another severe test for any system is the mercury re-issue o ...   Halcro

11-24-10   Dear halcro, the 'adequate' refers to me to two categorys: t ...   Nandric

11-24-10   Dear nandric, can you be more specific in what these recordi ...   Halcro

11-25-10   Dear halcro, your 'nacked tt' contribution contains philoso ...   Nandric

11-26-10   I understand you nandric and appreciate your point. i too ge ...   Halcro

11-26-10   Dear halcro,there is this,say,'technical capacity' wich allo ...   Nandric

01-19-13   Another ‘fine’ track to test your system is found on george ...   Halcro


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