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  More convinced of analog than ever
Wednesday night I went to my local high end shop's "Music Matters" open house, which featured six meticulously set up listening rooms highlighting the best and brightest offerings from Wilson, Transparent, Audio Research, Ayre, Magnepan, Peachtree, B&W, Classe, Rotel, etc., with factory reps to introduce their products and innovations.

There were unmistakable improvements in reproduction of redbook CD, with jitter reduced to near zero, and holographic reproduction of images, soundstages, and the minute signals that indicate instrument resonance and hall ambience.

And yet... and yet... when the demos shifted from redbook to the new downloadable hi-rez digital formats in 24/88.2 and 24/96, there was an unmistakable jump in resolution around the edges of the notes, of sounds swelling, resonating, and decaying, of greater verisimilitude.

But compared to the turntable demos, I'd say the 24-bit digital got me about 80% there, whereas LP playback closed the gap completely. Once the LPs started spinning, there was a collective relaxed "aaaahhh" that went through the audience. It wasn't because of dynamic compression. Far from it, the Ayre prototype turntable was strikingly dynamic with a subterranean noise floor.

The sense of ease and relaxation I attribute to a sudden drop in listener fatigue. The LP-source music had so much more of what makes music musical. We didn't have to work nearly as hard to rectify the ear-brain connection as with even the best of 24-bit digital, which was still significantly better than redbook. The redbook playback always reminded me that I was listening to "hi-fi," even when played through multi-thousand dollar players from ARC and Ayre.

Even my local Brit-oriented Rega/Naim dealer asserts that the latest CD players rival or exceed LP playback.

I say nay.

What say you?
Johnnyb53  (Reviews | Threads | Answers | This Thread)

02-06-09
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02-06-09   I haven't had a chance to listen to the newest and greatest, ...   Johnbrown

02-06-09   I'm curious with respect to the ayre prototype table; i know ...   Hdm

02-06-09   I say this is a well worn discussion. my position remains t ...   Tvad

02-06-09   So how were the presentations? anything new and interesting? ...   Tketcham

02-06-09   I was also at that event but came away with a different conc ...   Musicslug

02-06-09   Tvad, well said.   Unsound

02-07-09   Yawn. sure. hang on ...let me grab some popcorn. repeat ever ...   Shadorne

02-07-09   "yawn. sure. hang on ...let me grab some popcorn. repea ...   Hdm

02-07-09   Wow, it seems we have a digital crowd here, and to think i w ...   Sns

02-07-09   When i first heard about a consumer-available cd player back ...   Kennythekey

02-07-09   it never occurred to me to ask that. i did find out that th ...   Johnnyb53

02-07-09: Cerrot
I have a pretty decent digital rig (Esoteric X03 SE) and enjoy random playlists through the Squeezebox/Benchmark DAC - it is a treat to just hear hours of great music without getting up-and it does sound awesome, but there is just something extra special about vinyl. No big expensive turn table (VPI Jr, modded, w/Benz Glider & decent phono stage) BUT vinyl is just more involving. I have some great CD (and SACD) recordings which do narrow the gap, but once you put an LP on and cue it up, it's just...better. I love my CD/SB and do play alot but when I want to hear a great musical presentation, it's vinyl. It's a pain, and takes time to clean a disc, and you need to check set up at times but there is a real diference.

I fought getting a CD player for years and then ws given a Yamaha CD player - I remember buying CD's of all my vinyl - now I am looking for vinyl of all my CD's.

I will agree that an inexpensive (ok, cheap) TT (the mainstream garbage people think are turn tables-complete with USB output) won't rival an expensive CD player--but a properly set up decent turntable with a good cartridge/phono stage will easilly rival a multi-thousand dollar CD rig. Hey, there's a ton of posts touting the Oppo CD player - if it makes you happy, go for it, but has anyone actually compared the Oppo to a CD rig costing a few grand more? The key is "properly set up TT". It's not just plug and play. Spend some time and get it right and it's...magical.

Cerrot  (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)


02-07-09   I wonder when this debate will finally die? i am guessing s ...   Chadeffect

02-07-09   then i suggest you re-read your initial post starting from ...   Shadorne

02-07-09   I am convinced that analog hangs in there for basically two ...   Brauser

02-07-09   i posted this in the analog forum because i was relating a ...   Johnnyb53

02-07-09   generally, new topics just appear lumped together in a list ...   Tvad

02-07-09   I think it's the snobbish tone of your original post that ca ...   Tomcy6

02-07-09   Personally, i fail to see anything remotely resembling " ...   Hdm

02-07-09   I agree that this subject has been debated here (and elsewhe ...   Dodgealum

02-07-09   Hmmm. i wouldn't call johnnyb's post snobbish either, howeve ...   Sns

02-07-09   I agree with chadeffect, there's no stoppimg progress and th ...   Kennythekey

02-07-09   that is my view also.   Shadorne

02-07-09   I have what i consider imo both top flight digital and top f ...   Dgad

02-07-09   I didn't see anything snobbish about the original post eithe ...   Jdaniel13

02-07-09   I sure am glad when over 25 years ago my new york audio labs ...   Jbaussie

02-07-09   Can't we all learn to share the same sandbox and play nicely ...   Adam18

02-07-09   Geez, the op posted an innocuous (though well scribed) littl ...   Johnbrown

02-07-09   unfortunately, no. it's the nature of mankind to war with o ...   Tvad

02-07-09   in addition to the things i already mentioned, the front end ...   Johnnyb53

02-09-09   Free recording and playback? digital recordings are inherent ...   Applebook

02-09-09   Yesterday we had our annual record lp sales extravaganza her ...   Stevecham

02-09-09   Nice thread i have a substantial vinyl front end and a mode ...   Audiotomb

02-09-09   I do not understand why audiophiles would want to "need ...   Applebook

02-10-09   Applebook i'm assuming digital recording / playback makes a ...   Audiotomb

02-10-09   I agree with applebook, when you record your vinyl to digita ...   Sns

02-10-09   I'll kick the dead horse just one more time...... applebook ...   Hxt1

02-11-09   By audiophile standards, very high quality analog to digital ...   Onhwy61

02-11-09   Both formats are pretty much necessary for most modern audio ...   Applebook

02-11-09   Dear jhonnyb53: this is a post that i posted many time ago o ...   Rauliruegas


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