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  More convinced of analog than ever
Wednesday night I went to my local high end shop's "Music Matters" open house, which featured six meticulously set up listening rooms highlighting the best and brightest offerings from Wilson, Transparent, Audio Research, Ayre, Magnepan, Peachtree, B&W, Classe, Rotel, etc., with factory reps to introduce their products and innovations.

There were unmistakable improvements in reproduction of redbook CD, with jitter reduced to near zero, and holographic reproduction of images, soundstages, and the minute signals that indicate instrument resonance and hall ambience.

And yet... and yet... when the demos shifted from redbook to the new downloadable hi-rez digital formats in 24/88.2 and 24/96, there was an unmistakable jump in resolution around the edges of the notes, of sounds swelling, resonating, and decaying, of greater verisimilitude.

But compared to the turntable demos, I'd say the 24-bit digital got me about 80% there, whereas LP playback closed the gap completely. Once the LPs started spinning, there was a collective relaxed "aaaahhh" that went through the audience. It wasn't because of dynamic compression. Far from it, the Ayre prototype turntable was strikingly dynamic with a subterranean noise floor.

The sense of ease and relaxation I attribute to a sudden drop in listener fatigue. The LP-source music had so much more of what makes music musical. We didn't have to work nearly as hard to rectify the ear-brain connection as with even the best of 24-bit digital, which was still significantly better than redbook. The redbook playback always reminded me that I was listening to "hi-fi," even when played through multi-thousand dollar players from ARC and Ayre.

Even my local Brit-oriented Rega/Naim dealer asserts that the latest CD players rival or exceed LP playback.

I say nay.

What say you?
Johnnyb53  (Reviews | Threads | Answers | This Thread)

02-06-09
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02-06-09   I haven't had a chance to listen to the newest and greatest, ...   Johnbrown

02-06-09   I'm curious with respect to the ayre prototype table; i know ...   Hdm

02-06-09   I say this is a well worn discussion. my position remains t ...   Tvad

02-06-09   So how were the presentations? anything new and interesting? ...   Tketcham

02-06-09   I was also at that event but came away with a different conc ...   Musicslug

02-06-09   Tvad, well said.   Unsound

02-07-09   Yawn. sure. hang on ...let me grab some popcorn. repeat ever ...   Shadorne

02-07-09   "yawn. sure. hang on ...let me grab some popcorn. repea ...   Hdm

02-07-09   Wow, it seems we have a digital crowd here, and to think i w ...   Sns

02-07-09   When i first heard about a consumer-available cd player back ...   Kennythekey

02-07-09   it never occurred to me to ask that. i did find out that th ...   Johnnyb53

02-07-09   I have a pretty decent digital rig (esoteric x03 se) and enj ...   Cerrot

02-07-09   I wonder when this debate will finally die? i am guessing s ...   Chadeffect

02-07-09   then i suggest you re-read your initial post starting from ...   Shadorne

02-07-09   I am convinced that analog hangs in there for basically two ...   Brauser

02-07-09   i posted this in the analog forum because i was relating a ...   Johnnyb53

02-07-09   generally, new topics just appear lumped together in a list ...   Tvad

02-07-09   I think it's the snobbish tone of your original post that ca ...   Tomcy6

02-07-09   Personally, i fail to see anything remotely resembling " ...   Hdm

02-07-09   I agree that this subject has been debated here (and elsewhe ...   Dodgealum

02-07-09: Sns
Hmmm. I wouldn't call Johnnyb's post snobbish either, however, these threads that seem to pit one format vs. the other are inherently contentious. I'm with Tvad in that I think it all depends on the recording as to what medium is better.

In the real world (playing all sorts of music with wildly varying sonic qualities) both can be very satisfying or disappointing. Ultimate sound quality doesn't much matter to me, playing only the best quality recordings would severely limit my music choices to the point I would no longer care about listening to my system. And so, I could care less about which format is superior.

I must admit I don't see anything in Johnnyb's post that disses digital in general, he is simply describing that evening's listening session.

And yes, I've sometimes felt very defensive about criticizing my analog sound and defending my digital sound, I feel I've been belittled by some analog fans. A tone of unbelievability has entered some of the threads I've initiated complaining about the sound of my analog rig. Some posts call into question my ability to set up a vinyl rig, stating there must be some obvious thing I'm totally missing, and then going into a diatribe about how vinyl just blows digital away. Please check my virtual system before dissing my setup abilities. I know some mean well, but others are insulting in their simplistic posts. I think some analog gurus have to extole the virtues of vinyl and trash digital in a manner way beyond the pale.

Having said that, I don't feel Johnnyb is trashing digital, however, Shadorne has some valid points in his post. Generalizations are always going to cause contentiousness, the digital vs. analog argument should be much more specific, comparing recordings rather than mediums.

Sns  (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)


02-07-09   I agree with chadeffect, there's no stoppimg progress and th ...   Kennythekey

02-07-09   that is my view also.   Shadorne

02-07-09   I have what i consider imo both top flight digital and top f ...   Dgad

02-07-09   I didn't see anything snobbish about the original post eithe ...   Jdaniel13

02-07-09   I sure am glad when over 25 years ago my new york audio labs ...   Jbaussie

02-07-09   Can't we all learn to share the same sandbox and play nicely ...   Adam18

02-07-09   Geez, the op posted an innocuous (though well scribed) littl ...   Johnbrown

02-07-09   unfortunately, no. it's the nature of mankind to war with o ...   Tvad

02-07-09   in addition to the things i already mentioned, the front end ...   Johnnyb53

02-09-09   Free recording and playback? digital recordings are inherent ...   Applebook

02-09-09   Yesterday we had our annual record lp sales extravaganza her ...   Stevecham

02-09-09   Nice thread i have a substantial vinyl front end and a mode ...   Audiotomb

02-09-09   I do not understand why audiophiles would want to "need ...   Applebook

02-10-09   Applebook i'm assuming digital recording / playback makes a ...   Audiotomb

02-10-09   I agree with applebook, when you record your vinyl to digita ...   Sns

02-10-09   I'll kick the dead horse just one more time...... applebook ...   Hxt1

02-11-09   By audiophile standards, very high quality analog to digital ...   Onhwy61

02-11-09   Both formats are pretty much necessary for most modern audio ...   Applebook

02-11-09   Dear jhonnyb53: this is a post that i posted many time ago o ...   Rauliruegas


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