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  Antiskating .... The last analog secret

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I think, there is a difference between Antiskating and the right Antiskating.
Calibration with a blank surface is not always the 100% solution.
What do you think?
Thomasheisig  (Reviews | Threads | Answers | This Thread)

12-18-08
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12-18-08   There was a bit of discussion not long ago about how some ar ...   Ptmconsulting

12-18-08   I have always known antiskating to be an aid to help the sty ...   Ponnie

12-18-08   basically, i don't use it. it is never correct over the who ...   Stanwal

12-18-08   Great photo, thomas. very likely caused by many hours of pla ...   Dougdeacon

12-18-08   Skating force is the product of the stylus' friction in the ...   Nsgarch

12-18-08   Nice to have you back with your wise advises nsgarch !   Jloveys

12-18-08   Hey, doug. it's me again. :) i would definately agree that ...   Nrenter

12-18-08   Guys, suggest you go to 6moons.com/archives/audio reviews/a ...   Rockyboy

12-18-08   Great idea for a thread thomas. however, i don't believe tha ...   Dan_ed

12-18-08   And what is all that black stuff?   Dan_ed

12-19-08   What pictures are you looking at? i would love to play with ...   0thd

12-19-08   I saw "this" the first time. probably to much side ...   Thomasheisig

12-19-08   Neil, great to see you again! hope all's well. your as metho ...   Dougdeacon

12-19-08   Dear thomasheisig: there is no doubt that the as subject is ...   Rauliruegas

12-19-08   Raul, now you make me paranoid because i believe that my se ...   Maineiac

12-19-08   Here's a method for setting antiskate (as) that's more effec ...   Dougdeacon

12-19-08   I do not employ anti-skating on any of my tonearms. ymmv   Audiofeil

12-19-08   I haven't used antiskating on any of the tonearms that i've ...   Salectric

12-19-08   Dear friends: let me share with you some thoughts: if everyt ...   Rauliruegas

12-19-08   It may strike some of you as strange, but when i think of wh ...   Nsgarch

12-20-08   Could you clarify please if in general more antiskating (or ...   Dazzdax

12-20-08   Very good description nsgarch! my thinking has been along th ...   Dan_ed

12-20-08   I would like to add that the existance of skating forces, an ...   Kirkus

12-20-08   Dazz, well you barely make it! go to http://www.cartridged ...   Nsgarch

12-20-08   Thomas, i have a different theory. maybe the bearings on t ...   Dgad

12-20-08   What i find weird about the cart in thomas' pic (is it a lyr ...   Nsgarch

12-20-08   Thank you for referring to the cartridge resonance calculato ...   Dazzdax

12-20-08   All this talk of setting a/s with a test record makes sense ...   Salectric

12-20-08   Fwiw, the methodology i posted does result in a zero antiska ...   Dougdeacon

12-20-08   This whole "we don't listen to test records, so they do ...   Kirkus

12-21-08   Kirkus, i have a couple of test records that i have no use f ...   Dan_ed

12-21-08: Kirkus
I have never analyzed this with free body diagrams or whatever, but I'm pretty sure that the more accurately the cartridge is aligned the less those skating force magnitudes get.
There's simply no way this is the case - the change in the skating force vectors is miniscule with changes in things like overhang, azimuth, and VTA. Now VTF, of course. But I absolutely agree with you in the sense that the more precisely the cartridge is aligned . . . the better the system performance, in virtually every aspect.

I have NEVER experienced a changed in the perceived dynamics when adjusting a well-designed (repeatable) anti-skating compensation mechanism, on a well-matched arm/cartridge combination. With some of the fishing-line things, I've experienced all manner of weird side-effects.

I HAVE experienced what you describe as "crushing the dynamics", but I associate this specifically with a arm/cartridge combinations with very low resonant frequencies, i.e. 6-8 Hz. I will admit that I have never really tried to tweek such a combination to sonic perfection, and I can conceive of how anti-skating adjustment could interact differently in these situations than in my experience. But I've always found that I prefer the performance of arm/cartrige combinations that resonate at somewhat higher frequencies, and tonearms with very accurate, repeatable VTF and anti-skating adjustments. And with these, my measured data the my listening experiences have a good correlation.

Kirkus  (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)


12-21-08   I am not using any as and have gone as far as tying up the w ...   Stltrains

12-21-08   I've always used as until today. i have set it the same as t ...   Jfrech

12-21-08   In 1969 an in depth scientific/theoretical study was done on ...   Stefanl

12-21-08   That study was conducted long before the advent of shibata, ...   Audiofeil

12-21-08   That is interesting because sumiko recommend a setting of ab ...   Stefanl

12-21-08   The close up of the cartridge looks as if it was used/ abuse ...   Stiltskin

12-21-08   Sumiko blue point? that's funny. entry level/run of the mil ...   Audiofeil

12-21-08   The old cartridges did not of course have the r&d of today's ...   Stefanl

12-22-08   Here's the deal on styli and friction: line contact (or mic ...   Nsgarch

12-22-08   Nsgarch, i've always thought the line contact styli have a g ...   Dazzdax

12-22-08   I don't fuss much at all with anti skating on my graham phan ...   Stiltskin

12-22-08   Stiltskin i have a phantum also and i cannot get the antiska ...   Hevac1

12-22-08   start by taking the as weight off altogether. as on top leve ...   Dougdeacon

12-22-08   Get rid of that phantom piece of junk and buy yourself a reg ...   Ptmconsulting

12-22-08   dazz, sometimes physics can be maddeningly counter-intuitive ...   Nsgarch

12-22-08   I think, this thread is essential for every analog enthusias ...   Thomasheisig

12-22-08   I have found that not only is correct anti-skate an illusive ...   Stringreen

12-22-08   Hevac, if all looks to be good with your cartridge and as ...   Stiltskin


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