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  Who needs a MM cartridge type when we have MC?
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05-14-12   'the horror'. my way to 'force' raul to name the name is to ...   Nandric

05-14-12   "the mc in casu must be realativ cheap (for now) but al ...   Lewm

05-14-12   It might be the dl-s1 regards,   Fleib

05-14-12   Dear lew, i had no idea that a scientist in america earns su ...   Nandric

05-14-12   Years ago, tour d'argent was another mega-expensive restaura ...   Lewm

05-15-12   Hi nandric, thanks for the information: "he is the so ...   Dgob

05-15-12   Dear dgob, i understand your admiration for kant because of ...   Nandric

05-15-12   Regards, all: think i'll fire up the ferrari f-10 & meet the ...   Timeltel

05-15-12   Hi timeltel - tom, any essay that touches on taste, percept ...   Dean_man

05-16-12   My gosh. who else can put together: testes, esthetics, urtei ...   Nandric

05-16-12   Regards, dean_man, nandric: thanks for your input regarding ...   Timeltel

05-16-12   As i related to raul some time ago, my curiosity about mm/mi ...   Pryso

05-16-12   Tom, i am just impressed that you did not screw around and b ...   Lewm

05-17-12   Hi, lew: learned a little about cantilever materials, resona ...   Timeltel

05-17-12   I would settle for an f40, actually. it is to drool for, wh ...   Lewm

05-17-12   I'll take the black 2002 360 modena that plays an important ...   Dgarretson

05-18-12   Oh lord, won't you buy me a 365(or 512) berlinetta boxer!   Lespier

05-18-12   360 modena or berlinetta boxer can be had for less than $100 ...   Lewm

05-18-12   Yes i recollect an article in a motoring magasine many years ...   Dlaloum

05-18-12   I believe the best ferrari bargain is the testarossa. under ...   Isochronism

05-19-12   Raul actually never stated that mm carts are better then mc ...   Nandric

05-20-12: Rauliruegas
Dear nandric: Now that you mentioned, I bought the Sony XL44L that now is with Axel to an up-date. This cartridge was still made by Sony and its design ( motor ) is similar to the 88 that's a top performer, at least that's what I read on the 88.

What were your expweriences with your Sony XL88 D?

Regards and enjoy the music,
R.

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05-21-12   Dear raul, i am very glad to hear your approval reg. the son ...   Nandric

05-21-12: Rauliruegas
Dear Nandric: The 88D was along the AT 1000 ( that shares same diamond cantilever/stylus. ) onew of the more expensive cartridges in Japan too, 150K yens in 1980.

The Sony XL44L came with elipthical stylus and I ask Axel to go with nude line contact. Btw, this 44 has lower output than the 88D: 0.3mv against 0.4mv on the 88D.

I just received up dated by Axel a Clearaudio Virtuoso Black Wood, the Goldring G800 and the Ortofon MC 3000MK2. I can't test it because my system still down but I think that in the next two weeks everything comes out again. I can't hear either my Dyna Karat Nova 13D and other " new " cartridges I have up dated.

Regards and enjoy the music,
R.

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05-22-12   Dear raul, i can offer you some strange comfort. i am also n ...   Nandric

05-22-12   Raul, i will like to know what axel did to the goldring g800 ...   Audpulse

05-23-12   Dear ben, according to my mom i am the smartest and the best ...   Nandric

05-24-12   Got to control myself. stanton ebay #380433151397   Griffithds

05-24-12   A discussion in the 'glanz' thread on integrated headshell d ...   Halcro

05-25-12   Dear henry, we all respect rául's opinions the problem is/ar ...   Nandric

05-24-12: Rauliruegas
Dear Halcro: ++++ " Dear nandric: I repeat, those integrated headshell designs were a fashion on those old times and in many ways more marketing that a scientific achievment.

Almost all the cartridge manufacturers of this kind of designs were tonearm manufacturers too: Technics, Audio Technica, FR/Ikeda, Yamaha, Sony, ADC, etc, etc.

Wonder where those integrated headshell designs performs the " better "?, you are right!: with its tonearm counterpart designed by the same cartridge manufacturer.

I owned several of those integrated headshell designs on those old times and I remember the USA distributors/sellers how they push to the integrated designs against its stand alone brothers, curios was that normally first appears the stand alone one and suddenly after that the integrated headshell design arrived and some " stupid " people like me goes through the integrated designs too!. At the end we owned two same model cartridges that means profits$$$ for the manufacturers: who cares?????

Japanese manufacturers does not cares about those " high end " tonearms with non removable headshell designs ( the Lewm argument. ) because almost all of them have on sale their own tonearm designs that were the " best " tonearm match. The integrated cartridge designs were on sale mainly in Asia, then Europe and in lesser way in America.

Marketing always has an important " weight " on audio item designs and in many cases with no clear audio quality parameters/factors as its foundation.

Btw, 80% of the sales on Ortofon/EMT integrated cartridge designs goes to Asia where today still exist a " cult " for that kind of sound.

I don't see that you and the other " proponents " of integrated headshell designs have wide experiences with this kind of cartridges.

Regards and enjoy the music,
R.

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in the other side I don't posted nothing about"
++++++ but for you to state that 'modern' development of materials and knowledge has improved the art of cartridge design " +++++++

by the contarry I supported that the vintage designs are have great motors that improve with a today " touch ".
One example on this was with my long nose Acutex where I own an original ones with only a " touched " VDH suspension , same model with a cantilever/stylus/suspension up grade and one in stock fashion. Well the best performer is the one with the up dated cantilever/stylus against the stock one and the suspension refreshed one. What I support came from my experiences and certaibnly I'm not contradictory on what I was and am supported in this thread.
Now, as you and other people like me we are learning all the time and with this " learning " our each one way of thinking could change a bit. I'm hard sticky on the vintage cartridge motor designs.

+++++ " the days of the 'J' or 'S' shaped tonearms with detacheable headshells were already over with straight-arm designs with fixed headshells being regarded as 'de rigeur' in the high-end community..+++++++++++++""""

where in the high end community?, certainly not Asia. Even today Dynavector and Ikeda still build removable headshel tonearm designs and the best Japanese tonearms are/were on this kind of designs. Btw, japanese people are not greatly influenced on what happen in other/different high end communities.

Regards and enjoy the music,
R.

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05-25-12   Hi folks, working my way through some late 60's walton arti ...   Dlaloum

05-25-12: Rauliruegas
Dear nandric/Lewm/Henry: All of you posted that I'm contradictory, well I appreciate that you were more specifics because maybe I did not understand yet in specific in which subjects I'm trhough your posts.

Now, if in true I'm contradictory I can and have to accept it after I can analize what moves me what brings me to been contradictory.

I'm willing as always to accept critics about my " foundations " except when one person post that I'm lying.

The integrated headshell cartridge design subject is controversial as many other audio subjects and my take there is only that the same vintage cartridge model in stand alone fashion outperforms its integrated counterpart.
In my " take " the only possibility I " see " that the integrated one could beats the stand alone " sister " is to change the integrated internal wires and after that find out the tonearm ideal match and even here the challenge could be strong because the stand alone one will be on similar whole set up conditions.
I had this kind of experiences in the old times, especialy with AT cartridges. Unfortunately in those times I owned a different system and more important I did not care about tonearm/headshell/cartridge matching.

One of the cartridges I owned were the AT24 and its integrated counterpart AT25 and I can't remember big differences on it because the AT24 was mated with AT headshell and AT wires.
The problem today is that in those vintage integrated designs we can't change nothing on the internal construction when its counterpart ( stand alone ) be mated with firt rate headshell wires and tested with several headshells till we find out the best match, the stand alone vintage cartridge design has many advantages over its integrated " sister ".

I would like to know if there are some contradictions here or why I'm wrong.

Yes, I have a strong foundation against integrated designs, I don't like its monolitic status: IMHO we all need and in specific the cartridge needs and ask for " alternatives " to shows at its best alternatives to be perfectly matched.

Regards and enjoy the music,
R.

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05-25-12   On the topic of headshells ... my observation and measureme ...   Dlaloum

05-25-12   Regards, dlaloum: would this description take into considera ...   Timeltel

05-25-12   Dear raul, you are using the expression 'foundation' in the ...   Nandric

05-25-12   I have a grace f8e and a f8l. i also have a nos grace f9e i ...   Acman3

05-25-12   Integrated headshells - storm in a teacup. advantages - elim ...   Dover

05-25-12   Hi timeltel, i am not clear as to whether you are respondi ...   Dlaloum

05-25-12   Acman, this is by nature second-hand information, but nowher ...   Lewm

05-25-12   And of course the most rigid joint, between headshell and to ...   Dover

05-26-12   Hi dover, for sure, but some of us want to have our cake an ...   Dlaloum

05-26-12   Hello lewm, the thought that grace f9 and f8 cartridges wer ...   Acman3

05-26-12   Regards, dlaloum: apologies for yesterdays hurried post, the ...   Timeltel

05-26-12   Hi david and folk, thanks for your posts david. re: have yo ...   Fleib

05-27-12   Fleib, i respect your opinion regarding headshells. however ...   Lewm

05-27-12   Hi lew, all those points could be valid depending on the ind ...   Fleib

05-27-12   Lewm, i think you've highlighted the folly of fashion - wood ...   Dover

05-28-12   Dover, why not just add a weight, if that was your only obj ...   Lewm

05-28-12   Dear lew, re fleib. your reed 2a headshell is fastened with ...   Nandric


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