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Hi everyone. Some of you will remember my post from a couple weeks back about trying out vinyl. My dealer setup that old AR for me and I listened to it for a while and then listened to the same records on a new Pro-Ject RM 6 SB with a Sumiko Blue Point #2 cartridge. I liked the Pro-Ject better so I took it home for an audition in my system.

I borrowed some basically new LPs from my dealer's collection. Most of them are the 180 gm. "audiophile grade" limited editions. I got U2 War, Eagles Hell Freezes Over, John Lee Hooker, Pink Floyd DSOTM and REM Document. I was familiar with all these and own the CD counterpart of each album for direct comparisons.

I carefully setup the turntable making sure it was level. My dealer has been selling turntables for decades so I trust the other adjustments. I used the C42 to level-match the outputs of my Sony C333ES SACD player and the Pro-Ject, again for fair direct comparisons.

I listened to each album on its own on the turntable and then I went back and played the Sony in parallel. I switched between the two sources from my listening chair. In this case, I would keep the turntable 40 seconds ahead of the Sony so every 40 seconds I could hear the exact same passage in digital form. Hearing memory is short so I kept the interval short. I also made longer comparisons to be sure of my thoughts.

The bottom line is that the Pro-Ject didn't sound any better than my Sony. They had exactly the same tonality and soundstaging. On DSOFTM in SACD, the Sony was virtually indistinguishable from the turntable. I couldn't believe it. This is the first time I can't hear a reliable difference between two different components.

With other records, the turntable seemed to have a slightly more extended and weightier bottom end. But then the Sony had slightly better definition so it was a wash. After these tests, I see no reason for me to go with vinyl. You think maybe the phono stage in my C42 isn't good enough? Or maybe the turntable should be a better one? Well then, I am even less interested in vinyl if that is the case. The Sony costs about $350 these days.

I am sure some of you will be upset with my decision but I have to say I was excited to try it out and I kept my outlook totally unbiased. I loved the looks of the Pro-Ject and my dealer has an awesome collection of vinyl for sale at really good prices so I wanted to tap into that. But I don't see any reason to do that now. Oh well!

Arthur
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10-24-06
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10-24-06   Aball, thanks for posting the results of your experiment. yo ...   Rushton

10-24-06   I am new to analog. last night was my first night with my ne ...   Glory

10-24-06   Your method of comparison/evaluation strikes me as very good ...   Eldartford

10-24-06   I have found that when evaluating any change, it is best to ...   Zargon

10-24-06   I am not too surprised with your findings. unless you are ce ...   Jyprez

10-24-06: Aball
I was probably more surprised than any of you. I have heard vast differences between different components in my system (particularly preamps) and to have so little difference between analog and digital, after hearing all the hooplah, was a total letdown.

So many people have told me "oh vinyl will blow the socks off CD" and yet I couldn't see it whatsoever today. Maybe I do need to hear it a while and see - I have already planned on having it a week and I will have other vinyl to hear on it in a day or two. But I kind of doubt it. Maybe I'll be wrong but...I know my system pretty well now. I listen 4 hours a day every day.

The part I am really surprised about is that I happened to come across a turntable with exactly the same tonality as my Sony. I have had so many flavors through my system and never have two been so close and yet so physically different. I am beginning to think I should try a different one to be sure but the Pro-Ject is decent, no??

Arthur

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10-24-06   Aball, you say that you found good things about both formats ...   Dan_ed

10-24-06   I don't think any of my lps today were standard pressings - ...   Aball

10-25-06   Thanks for the interesting update to your original old ar tu ...   Rockvirgo

10-25-06   You know i found that when lp's were sounding like cd's and ...   Stefanl

10-25-06   Aball sez: i understand that. that's exactly the problem man ...   Gregm

10-25-06   I don't think 40 second intervals are even close to long eno ...   Rnm4

10-25-06   The best reason to go back to vinyl is if you have access to ...   Elizabeth

10-24-06   Arthur, you are right in realizing that you must find the ri ...   Jyprez

10-24-06   Different strokes. nobody should be upset at your decision, ...   Pauly

10-25-06   Without knowing the specifics of which lp's you used - keep ...   Opalchip

10-25-06   P.s. though i was somewhat critical of your software choice ...   Opalchip

10-25-06   Over the past several months i've been digitizing lots of 60 ...   Hals_den

10-25-06   Thanks for all your thoughts. rnm4 - as i said already, i ...   Aball

10-25-06   My experience has been that switching rapidly between one co ...   Drubin

10-25-06   Good experiment arthur. this is what i envision as part of ...   David_berry

10-25-06   The blue point #2 (i have one idle) doesn't really make it h ...   Jaybo

10-25-06   I agree with zargon. i have done the same a/b thing evaluati ...   Hoopster

10-25-06   Arthur, your experience matches mine although my experiment ...   Shadorne

10-25-06   Arthur, if the project and your sony are close on 40 second ...   Flyingred

10-25-06   I think one experiment you haven't done and hasn't been ment ...   Musicslug

10-25-06   Do not try to analyze what is happening - just listen and en ...   Moemoney

10-25-06   Anyone prefer gold and bartering with real commodities to th ...   Shadorne

10-25-06   Arthur, i like your testing methadology. i have heard that ...   Artizen65

10-26-06   Aball, i'm going to have to disagree with what you said. i ...   Plinko

10-25-06   Used lp's = $1 at my local record exchange. used cd's = lots ...   Cervelorider

10-26-06   I agree with dan. why not add another format to your system. ...   Ozzy62

10-26-06   I've re-read the same advice from folks on this thread and o ...   Pawlowski6132

10-26-06   My first thread asked if cheap used lps are decent quality/c ...   Aball

10-26-06   Pawlowski6132, the whole digital thing is a conspiracy to ...   Shadorne

10-26-06   Pawlowski6132, the reason i suggest someone with no lps stic ...   Flyingred

10-26-06   Arthur, for fun, take your sony to your dealor and repeat th ...   Jj2468

10-27-06   Jeff - that is a good idea and i will do that for sure. my ...   Aball

10-27-06   Aball says "however, i do know that many used lps i ha ...   Dan_ed

10-26-06   Pawlowski6132, i would agree there are lots of cheap lp's ou ...   Jyprez

10-27-06   Ok - i got some other vinyl and have been listening to the t ...   Aball

10-27-06   Arthur, for fun i'll be curious to see what happens when you ...   Jj2468

10-27-06   Congratulations, arthur: go for the music, always! also: th ...   Rushton

10-28-06   Arthur, kudos to you for going through the process, and even ...   T_bone

10-28-06   I also commend authur on valuable, honest throughs from what ...   Outlier

10-29-06   Outlier...in my 10/24 posting i referenced my audition (at a ...   Eldartford

10-29-06   Well said. el. i still contend that aball's testing methodo ...   Drubin


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