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04-29-08
Raul,from a "purley listening experience" perspect ... Sirspeedy
04-29-08
Dear sirspeedy: too many parts where the signal goes through ... Rauliruegas
04-30-08
Thanks raul,you've told me all i need to know. best. Sirspeedy
05-01-08
Raul i simply cannot let your assumption of audio theory tru ... Sirspeedy
05-01-08: Rauliruegas
Dear Mark: What is all " these " about?. You return ( by any topic ) again and again.
I never say that the Ascents were a bad design or a bad sounding speaker. I only say that IMHO its crossover is one of its disadvantages, because you can't tell me that that speaker is " perfect " with out any disadvantages.
266 parts where the signal must pass on ( see it. ) could be an advantage ( from your point of view ) or could not be an advantage ( from my point of view ).
CH made its own speaker trade-offs design where you or any one else can or can't agree/like ( I'm not saying nothing like an in deep criticism on the design. ), it is just audio opinion democracy.
Please read what a Ascent owner ( that change to the Eidolon ) say about:
++++ The Ascents are not particularly efficient, meaning that they like amplifiers that deliver lots of clean power. I have been running them with VAC 140 monoblocks, which is a great match, but they also sound great with good solid state amps. These particular speakers are the Mark II model. This means that the drivers and crossovers were upgraded from the original release. Eventually, Avalon used its experience in developing their massive and extremely pricey Osiris model to create the Eidolon, which has replaced the Ascents in their lineup of products. The Eidolon does all of the same things that the Ascents do, only better. +++++
other than what we can read, you say: +++ and a sensitive design with good efficiency. " ++++
well this owner thinks: ++++ The Ascents are not particularly efficient.... " +++++
You know another opinion: just democracy!.
And there are extreme opinions about, take a look:
++++I'll get straight to the point. The Vandersteen 1 B loudspeaker is, at $695 the pair, something of an embarrassment for its pricier transducing brethren in the High End. Not because it is better than the $7000 ProAc Response Three, $9200 Stax F41, or $15,000 Avalon Ascent Mk II , outstanding speakers with which I am personally familiar), but because it is so good at $695.00 that one must wonder why we would spend 10 times as much or more for an incremental improvement that is certainly not commensurate. " +++++
Returning to the " constant impedance " on the Ascents I can't find a real measure about but I find from the Eclipse and Avatar: where their impedance specs you can read: nominal 6 Ohms and no below 5.5 Ohms ( similar of what you posted on the Ascents. ) that in the Stereophile Eclipse review its REAL electrival impedance is far far from be " constant impedance ", not only that but has trouble about depending which amp you are using to handle. The speaker efficiency is too in the low side ( 86db ) like the Avatar and Ascent: not like you say: ++ with good efficiency ++++
Could you show me that Ascent " constant impedance " graph that you are speaking? and ( between other things ) that is one of its crossover design advantage?.
Maybe you misunderstood the Ascent " crossover advantages " or think that your opinion is the " good " one and maybe it is for you: no problem about, is fine with me: only permit to " speak/talk " my self opinion about ( that I'm not saying in any way that is the " universal true " and nothing but the true. ), Mark it is only other opinion: not big deal on...!!
Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Rauliruegas (System | Reviews | Threads | Answers | This Thread)
05-01-08
Raul,i am glad you state it is only your "opinion" ... Sirspeedy
05-02-08
Dear mark: like i already say it: just an opinion, pure demo ... Rauliruegas
05-02-08
Hi raul, since you did not want to play in my thread "i ... Acoustat6
05-03-08
Acoustat6, i must confess that i use two velodyne dd12 subs ... Dgob
05-03-08
Hi dgob, i too believe, that the front end components are ve ... Acoustat6
05-03-08
Hi acoustat6, i still feel that the vehemance in the argume ... Dgob
05-03-08
I happen to have a carefully voiced dedicated room(thank goo ... Sirspeedy
05-05-08
Just to note what i am now getting from using a pair of the ... Dgob
05-05-08
Hi raul, i am sorry ,sorry for the things i said to you. sin ... Acoustat6
05-06-08
Dear dgob: +++++ " i guess that means that my answer i ... Rauliruegas
05-10-08
Dear sirspeedy: this is what gmorris posted in this thread s ... Rauliruegas
05-11-08
Raul,i am happy for g.morris. best. Sirspeedy
05-12-08
Dear mark: yes, i'm only posted as a reference/opinion. hav ... Rauliruegas
05-12-08
Raul,you did not do your homework -:) since i assume you ... Sirspeedy
05-12-08
Raul,one other point.....please re-read the "last" ... Sirspeedy
05-12-08
Dear sirspeedy: yes, absolutely!. regards and enjoy the mus ... Rauliruegas
10-27-08
Raul, whilst i may query your selection of turntables and ar ... Halcro
11-06-08
Halcro, i know what you mean. the experience has been fant ... Dgob
11-06-08
Dear halcro: it is nic to read about and that you are really ... Rauliruegas
11-06-08
Agreed that taking the low bass out of the satellites by uti ... Jimjoyce25
11-08-08
Dear dgob: nice to read that you are really satisfied too. ... Rauliruegas
11-11-08
Dear jimjoyce25: nice to see that you agree. imho with toda ... Rauliruegas
11-14-08
Dear friends: for almost seventh months my system was runnin ... Rauliruegas
11-14-08
Raul, there are scientific studies done that show that 4 sub ... Halcro
11-15-08
Dear halcro: yes 4 could be better but i never try it and ye ... Rauliruegas
11-21-08
Halcro: now i remember that article where comes those scient ... Rauliruegas
11-22-08
Raul, here is the link from two subwoofers - comb effect. h ... Halcro
12-04-08
Raul, two wilson benesch subs used with both monitors and f ... Azjake
12-04-08
Dear azjake: i never have the opportunity to hear those wb s ... Rauliruegas
03-28-09
Dear friends: some weeks ago i read in one of the agoner's v ... Rauliruegas
03-29-09
Dear friends: this last experience that improve the low bass ... Rauliruegas
03-29-09
I have klipsch lascala's that don't dig real deep in the low ... Utahusker
03-29-09
Dear utahusker: as you posted lascala maybe can/could give ... Rauliruegas
03-29-09
This one could help you too: http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-b ... Rauliruegas
03-29-09
Raul, that soundstage article is the exact description of my ... Jloveys
03-30-09
Dear jloveys: like in many other audio topics there are a lo ... Rauliruegas
03-31-09
Dear friends: well, here is where i read the subs re-wiring ... Rauliruegas
03-31-09
Dear jloveys: i don't know if you ever consider to mate your ... Rauliruegas
03-31-09
Again, contrary to common belief, those quads 57 have plenty ... Jloveys
04-01-09
Dear jloveys: i agree with you about that 3d sound image. i ... Rauliruegas
04-01-09
Nobody really needs one if your system is set up right.in mo ... Ebm
04-02-09
Dear ebm: +++++ " nobody really needs one if your syste ... Rauliruegas
04-03-09
Dear ebm: i return with you because we don't have yet your a ... Rauliruegas
04-06-09
Thank you rauliruegas for all your knowledgeable info on the ... Ebm
04-07-09
Dear ebm: well, i know that the subs alternative is somethin ... Rauliruegas
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