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  Blind Shoot-out in San Diego -- 5 CD Players
On Saturday, February 24, a few members of the San Diego, Los Angeles and Palm Springs audio communities conducted a blind shoot-out at the home of one of the members of the San Diego Music and Audio Guild. The five CD Players selected for evaluation were: 1) a Resolution Audio Opus 21 (modified by Great Northern Sound), 2) the dcs standalone player, 3) a Meridian 808 Signature, 4) a EMM Labs Signature configuration (CDSD/DCC2 combo), and 5) an APL NWO 2.5T (the 2.5T is a 2.5 featuring a redesigned tube output stage and other improvements).

The ground rules for the shoot-out specified that two randomly draw players would be compared head-to-head, and the winner would then be compared against the next randomly drawn player, until only one unit survived (the so-called King-of-the-Hill method). One of our most knowledgeable members would set up each of the two competing pairs behind a curtain, adjust for volume, etc. and would not participate in the voting. Alex Peychev was the only manufacturer present, and he agreed to express no opinion until the completion of the formal process, and he also did not participate in the voting. The five of us who did the voting did so by an immediate and simultaneous show of hands after each pairing after each selection. Two pieces of well-recorded classical music on Red Book CDs were chosen because they offered a range of instrumental and vocal sonic charactistics. And since each participant voted for each piece separately, there was a total of 10 votes up for grabs at each head-to-head audition. Finally, although we all took informal notes, there was no attempt at detailed analysis recorded -- just the raw vote tally.

And now for the results:

In pairing number 1, the dcs won handily over the modified Opus 21, 9 votes to 1.

In pairing number 2, the dcs again came out on top, this time against the Meridian 808, 9 votes to 1.

In pairing number 3, the Meitner Signature was preferred over the dcs, by a closer but consistent margin (we repeated some of the head-to-head tests at the requests of the participants). The vote was 6 to 4.

Finally, in pairing number 5, the APL 2.5T bested the Meitner, 7 votes to 3.

In the interest of configuration consistance, all these auditions involved the use of a power regenerator supplying power to each of the players and involved going through a pre-amp.

This concluded the blind portion of the shoot-out. All expressed the view that the comparisons had been fairly conducted, and that even though one of the comparisons was close, the rankings overall represented a true consensus of the group's feelings.

Thereafter, without the use blind listening, we tried certain variations at the request of various of the particiapans. These involved the Meitner and the APL units exclusively, and may be summarized as follows:

First, when the APL 2.5T was removed from the power regenerator and plugged into the wall, its performance improved significantly. (Alex attributed this to the fact that the 2.5T features a linear power supply). When the Meitner unit(which utilizes a switching power supply) was plugged into the wall, its sonics deteriorated, and so it was restored to the power regenerator.

Second, when we auditioned a limited number of SACDs, the performance on both units was even better, but the improvement on the APL was unanimously felt to be dramatic.
The group concluded we had just experienced "an SACD blowout".

The above concludes the agreed-to results on the blind shoot-out. What follows is an overview of my own personal assessment of the qualitative differences I observed in the top three performers.

First of all the dcs and the Meitner are both clearly state of the art players. That the dcs scored as well as it did in its standalone implementation is in my opinion very significant. And for those of us who have auditioned prior implementations of the Meitner in previous shoot-outs, this unit is truly at the top of its game, and although it was close, had the edge on the dcs. Both the dcs and the Meitner showed all the traits one would expect on a Class A player -- excellent tonality, imaging, soundstaging, bass extension, transparency, resolution, delineation, etc.

But from my point of view, the APL 2.5T had all of the above, plus two deminsions that I feel make it truly unique. First of all, the life-like quality of the tonality across the spectrum was spot-on on all forms of instruments and voice. An second, and more difficult to describe, I had the uncany feeling that I was in the presence of real music -- lots or "air", spatial cues, etc. that simply add up to a sense of realism that I have never experienced before. When I closed my eyes, I truly felt that I was in the room with live music. What can I say.

Obviously, I invite others of the participants to express their views on-line.

Pete

Petewatt  (Reviews | Threads | Answers | This Thread)

02-28-07
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01-01-11   Guidocorona, you have the right to your opinion and so do i. ...   Sabai

01-01-11   Lets talk pizza. i don't like pizza with any sp[ice. i make ...   Mrtennis

01-01-11   Sabai, as my gentle chiding and humor does not appear to be ...   Guidocorona

01-01-11   the famous supportive "emails received behind the scene ...   Tvad

01-01-11   Sabai, the best you can do is not to post to this thread aga ...   Foster_9

01-01-11   Count me as one who had sent sabai an e-mail.   Brianw

01-01-11   Sabai - after reading a few of the previous posts i went bac ...   Mceljo

01-02-11   Guidocorona, let me spell it out to you. i'm on to your game ...   Sabai

01-02-11   Sabai, from my perspective as it relates to my comments abou ...   Tvad

01-02-11   "i'm on to your game with apl and other posters in this ...   Guidocorona

01-05-11   My last posting in reply to guido was excised by the powers ...   Sabai

01-05-11: Tvad
Sorry, Sabai, but it appears you've been mislead about some subversive and nefarious scheme that frankly was never the intention.

It's incredible that some prefer to hold onto paranoid notions of dark political motivations that frankly aren't worthy of one's time.

That's all I can add. The spin on this topic has become ridiculous to an extreme.

Tvad  (Threads | Answers | This Thread)


01-08-11   Without level matching within 1 db minimum, this is nothing ...   Grege

01-08-11   Surely those who are allowed to post here must have a commen ...   Sabai

01-09-11   There are great reports starting to come in about the emm cd ...   Sabai

01-09-11   I wonder if the player with the $5000 x upgrade, also needs ...   Pubul57

01-09-11   Pubul57, i have the powercell 10se but have not had the &quo ...   Sabai

01-10-11   I do use running springs with my emm and other source equipm ...   Pubul57

01-10-11   Pubul57, i know what you mean about poor engineering. i was ...   Sabai

01-10-11   If my cdsa-se sounded holograhpic, wrap-around, i would be a ...   Pubul57

01-10-11   Pubul57, i believe you would end up holographic with the emm ...   Sabai

01-11-11   come and get it. 3d and synergy and it's best.   Jafox

01-11-11   Jafox, i expected a jibe from someone on this thread -- and ...   Sabai

01-11-11   Jafox, i note that in an earlier posting on this thread you ...   Sabai

01-11-11   After reading posts in this thread it becomes obvious why th ...   Magnumpi205

01-11-11   Why have a shoot out in the first place ? what useful purpo ...   Mrtennis

01-11-11   "it becomes obvious why the the blind should never be i ...   Guidocorona

01-11-11   "if you happen to find yourself in my part of the world ...   Mceljo

01-11-11   Not sure sabai said that, only that you would find the emm c ...   Pubul57

01-11-11   Jafox, sorry to have to correct you again. if you re-read my ...   Sabai

01-11-11   "if you happen to find yourself in my part of the world ...   Pubul57

01-12-11   Mceljo, what i am saying is that if, for example, you hear t ...   Sabai

01-12-11   Seems to be the case with my cdsa-se and vsms:) and certainl ...   Pubul57

01-12-11   "mceljo, what i am saying is that if, for example, you ...   Mceljo

01-12-11   No one has answered my question: why have a shootout ? wha ...   Mrtennis

01-12-11   Mrtennis - is it possible that shootouts are more valid in t ...   Mceljo

01-12-11   I would not be influenced to buy a product based upon a shoo ...   Mrtennis

01-12-11   Mrt, sounds like no 3rd-party review of any kind can be vali ...   Pubul57

01-12-11   Hi pubul57: it's not that suggestions are useless, it's jus ...   Mrtennis

01-12-11   I'm not sure we disagree at the core, but perhaps in the deg ...   Pubul57

01-12-11   Ooops, "do not..."   Pubul57

01-13-11   Magnumpi205, if you read my postings carefully you will see ...   Sabai

01-13-11   which is equally applicable to the resolution audio opus 21 ...   Tvad

01-13-11   Nope....   Pubul57

01-14-11   Tvad, i agree. each player was " ... potentially capab ...   Sabai

01-14-11   There is a conclusion. someone has rabbit ears!   Magnumpi205

01-14-11   If you touch that keyboard, audiogon will self-destruct.   Pubul57


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