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  State of HDCD and SACD
I am contemplating a new digital front-end and wondering if I should give preference to HDCD or SACD. It seems that you do not see these two technologies combined too often in a CDP, at least not well!

So, what I want to decide is "What has more of a future as a format?" I think both can sound excellent - that's not the question. I have a MiniMax CDP in my 2nd system that does great things with HDCD, and I previously owned a Shanling T200 that was great with SACD (and Redbook).

If I decide to put my eggs in the HDCD basket I'll probably get a Raysonic CD128. If SACD, a Marantz SA-11.

So, I would appreciate hearing takes on the respective futures of these formats. SACD has many titles available but still a drop, of course, compared to Redbook, and it seems views differed greatly on its future the last time I looked into it, about a year ago.

Would also consider other recommendations for players. Is there something there under $3K (preferably new - I don't trust used digital transports) that does HDCD and SACD and does them both well?
Paulfolbrecht  (System | Reviews | Threads | Answers | This Thread)

01-15-07
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01-15-07   Any of the denon dvd players will fit the bill - 3930 comes ...   Rlwainwright

01-15-07   This is one forum i intend to watch closely. at this time my ...   Johnjbarlow

01-15-07   Both sacd and hdcd are on life support and will never be any ...   Kira

01-15-07   Paul: cd redbook will be the standard for now and the near ...   Rar1

01-15-07   As mentioned above, any of the recent denon universal player ...   Tvad

01-15-07   I do already have a number of sacds (about 15), mostly hybri ...   Paulfolbrecht

01-15-07   I don't have much experience of sacd, but rather agree with ...   David12

01-15-07   A couple more comments. sacd library: my big thing is jazz ...   Paulfolbrecht

01-15-07   I'd go with the marantz sa-11 because it offers a bigger ben ...   Tvad

01-15-07   Tvad, how is the sa-11 on redbook? have you played with the ...   Paulfolbrecht

01-15-07   I haven't seen/heard the 3930 but in general i agree that de ...   Arahl

01-15-07   as with most choices in life, compromise abounds, and sinc ...   Aolmrd1241

01-15-07   I guess sacd has turned out to be a bust. no support from th ...   Johnjbarlow

01-15-07   Don't own one, paul, and i've never heard one. my recommenda ...   Tvad

01-15-07   My sacd's are mostly classical, and multichannel...outstandi ...   Sogood51

01-15-07   I second the vote for the denon universal players. they are ...   Bigamp

01-15-07   I owned both sacd in the past and hdcd (my current player is ...   Soniqmike

01-15-07   Yes, again, i'm quite familiar with the sonics of both forma ...   Paulfolbrecht

01-15-07   Having owned a sa-14 that was built like a tank (complete wi ...   Tvad

01-15-07   You'll be happy, the marantz sa-11 is a great machine....now ...   Jmcgrogan2

01-16-07   I don't understand the motivation for tubed output stages on ...   Paulfolbrecht

01-15-07   Several posters to this thread seem to have already answered ...   Jyprez

01-15-07   Here's my analysis, for what its worth. the inventors of hd ...   Markphd

01-16-07   You're right paul, it is a tube buffer stage, not a tube out ...   Jmcgrogan2

01-16-07   Jyprez, thanks for the sarcasm. i appreciate the individua ...   Paulfolbrecht

01-16-07   Well actually paul the sa-11 is now about 2 years old as wel ...   Jmcgrogan2

01-16-07   If they keep the life-support plugged in till i myself kick ...   Paulfolbrecht

01-16-07   Fwiw, i've added sony to my 'enemies' list. they're at #673 ...   Paulfolbrecht

01-16-07   lol! fwiw, sony is much higher on my 'enemies' list, they ...   Jmcgrogan2

01-16-07   Sacd has been claimed to be on its death bed for close to a ...   Robm321

01-16-07   "oh and vinyl too"... still have not dipped a toe ...   Paulfolbrecht

01-16-07   i'm in for a whopping $900, including table, 2 cartridges, p ...   Tvad

01-16-07: Jmcgrogan2
Blu-Ray technology had nothing to do with my point. My point was that until Blu-Ray, Sony had always supported their SACD technology in their DVD players, they no longer do. So Sony, the creator of SACD has officially shitcanned SACD and moved on. Just like they did with Beta, and will do in the future with Blu-Ray, Sony is unwilling to support their new technologies. I'm not interested in Blu-Ray, because it will be another superior, yet failed technology from Sony.

If you can remember, Beta didn't die overnight. It took several years. I haven't heard that SACD has been on it's death bed for a decade now, I think you're exaggerating. I felt Sony dealt the deathblow two years ago when they pulled the plug on the software. Now they've pulled the plug on the hardware. When the creator pulls the plug, one does have to wonder how long it can survive.

FWIW, I own a SACD player and love the format. It certainly is closer to vinyl than redbook. I can't let my emotions deny the facts though. I love my mother, yet I see her growing weaker in front of my eyes.

FWIW, on the Sony website, there is a link about SACD. In the FAQ section, one question is: Where can I buy a SACD player? In the answer there is a link to Sony Home Audio products from SonyStyle. When clicking on this link, the response is 'This merchant is no longer participating in the affiliate program.'

Now if that isn't a sign of the creator abandoning his creation, what is?

Jmcgrogan2  (Reviews | Threads | Answers | This Thread)


01-16-07   I have invested fully in redbook as i 1) don't want to star ...   Unclejeff

01-30-07   By all indications, 2007 may just be sacd's biggest year. a ...   Soundboy

01-31-07   Soundboy: i hear what you are saying, but sony's support fo ...   Rar1

02-01-07   I've glanced through the discussions on this thread and have ...   Krisjan

02-01-07   Mark, if you'll read the thread a little closer, you'll see ...   Jmcgrogan2

02-02-07   Yep, i am very happy with the maranz player (fortuantely it ...   Paulfolbrecht

02-02-07   Prepare yourself, cary cd players sound very different from ...   Jmcgrogan2

02-05-07   commenting on: ''it's a shame that sony doesn't continue t ...   Soniqmike

02-06-07   while i agree to some extent, i do believe that the format ...   Jmcgrogan2

02-17-07   An exceptionally good redbook player with an equally excepti ...   Tube_lvr

09-02-07   Hey just had to let everyone know that this ***hol* tube_lvr ...   Ejlif

09-02-07   Ejif sorry to hear about your troubles. re: sacd. i simply ...   Huntermusic

09-16-07   I have owned some decent sacd players and ulimately decided ...   Jla

09-18-07   Pretty cool site, for people who have hdcd compatable player ...   Cleaneduphippy

10-02-07   There's a all new cd format out now from fim records....its ...   Hifisoundguy


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