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  Reference DACS: An overall perspective
There has been many threads the last few months regarding the sonic signature of some of the highest regarded reference DACS (Dcs,Meitner,Ensemble,Audio Note,Zanden,Reimyo,Accustic Arts) here on the GON. I have been very fortunate to audtion many of these wonderful pieces in my home or friend's systems. I wanted to share, in a systematic way, my impressions/opinions with you GON members for a two reasons: 1)That my experiences might be helpful to fellow members interested in audtioning these DACS. 2)Starting an interesting discussion regarding the different "sonic flavors" of these reference digital front ends. I totally agree with the statement, "if you have not heard it you don't have an opinion". Therefore, I have no comments regarding DACS from Weiss,Goldmund,Audio Aero and Burmester because I have never had the pleasure of audtioning them. I would love to hear from members who have and share their experiences with us. My overall impression is that these DACS(Dcs,Meitner,Ensemble,Audio Note,Zanden,Reimyo,Accustic Arts) can be grouped into two molar categories regarding their overall sonic signature. By the way, all of them can throw a large/deep soundstage with excellent layering in the acoustic space with "air" around individual players on that stage. However, than they start to part company into two major categories. Category #1) These DACS "flavors" revolve around pristine clarity, fine sharp details,speed,very extended top/bottom frequencies,and great PRAT. These DACS never sound "etched" or "in your face" but are more "upfront" then "layed back" in their presentation. The DACS, to my ear's, that go into this bracket are Dcs,Ensemble,Meitner. My personnal favorite in this group is the Ensemble, which I owned for two years. These DACS remind me of the sonic signature of speakers such as Wilson,Thiel,Dynaudio, Focal/JM Labs. Category #2) These DACS "flavors" revolve around a "musical/organic" sense, natural timbres,and an easy flowing liquidity. Their "less forward" presentation my give the impression of less detail, but I think in this case its an illusion fostered by their more relaxed/organic manner. The DACS, to my ear's, that go into this bracket are Audio Note,Zanden,Reimyo,Accustic Arts. I did find that the tube DACS did not have the top/bottom frequency extenstion and PRAT of the SS DACS in this bracket. For me, the Accustic Arts DAC1-MK3 gave me the best of both categories, therefore it is now the resident DAC in my system. These DACS remind me of the sonic signature of speakers such as Magnepan,Von Schweikert,Sonus Faber. Well, it's all just my opinion regarding these digital pieces, but I hope this post was at least informative/somewhat interesting and would lend itself to other GON members sharing their impressions, not about what DAC is the "BEST" in the world, but your personnal taste and synergy with your system.
Teajay  (System | Reviews | Threads | Answers | This Thread)

09-15-05
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12-07-09   A question for the op, teajay. did you have room treatment ...   Bmckenney

12-07-09   Hi bryan, here's the answers to your questions: 1)i do not ...   Teajay

12-07-09   Wow, that is a huge room and very high ceiling. and minimal ...   Bmckenney

06-20-10   Simply put, burmester 069 or 089 cdp/dac/pre. in my estimati ...   Talk2me

08-28-10   Teajay, i had the accustic arts dac 1, mk iv, but replaced i ...   Dcgraves

08-30-10   Dcgraves, congrats on your berkeley dac i'm glad you are enj ...   Teajay

09-09-10   Teajay have you tried a good analogue turntable setup ? hav ...   Doggrell3000

09-10-10   Hi doggrell3000, here's the answers to your questions: 1) i ...   Teajay

09-10-10   Teajay, i am not sure if you mentioned it earlier, but have ...   Pubul57

09-10-10   Hi paul, i will admit my ignorance regarding the bdac. i'm c ...   Teajay

09-10-10   Just to avoid confusion, i do mean the berkeley dac.   Pubul57

09-11-10   Paul, now that i know you were talking about the berkeley da ...   Teajay

09-11-10   Terry, the aa tube dac has been in your system quite a while ...   Pubul57

09-11-10   Hi paul, your right on the mark regarding the enjoyment of m ...   Teajay

12-08-10   Digital has me wondering...and listening to records a lot. ...   Rower30

12-10-10   Teajay , i don't know who you are. but i just want to say : ...   Juanitox

12-16-10   Hmmm..this thread just hit 666 posts. must mean the devilso ...   Drubin

01-01-11   I have the accustic arts drive 1 mk2 and the dac1 mk4. they ...   Booboobaer

01-14-11   This thread some very experienced listeners and some owners ...   Pubul57

01-15-11   Pupil57, there seems to be now a clear trend toward flexible ...   Guidocorona

01-15-11   Do you believe the move to computer-based storage is being c ...   Pubul57

01-15-11   Less loss is a pure stream, so is claimed. unfortunately, th ...   Muralman1

01-15-11   My sense of this is that there was a lot of hoopla over comp ...   Pubul57

01-15-11   I'm open to hearing anything in my own set-up to evaluate wh ...   Dev

01-23-11   Hi dev, that was very interesting to read. i myself bought ...   Lloydelee21

01-23-11   That sounds like a plan....   Pubul57

04-04-11: Rockitman
For $6K the PS Audio Perfect Wav trans and dac are hard to beat. The transport is a buffered memory player (play DVD's with up 24/192 wav files) with a digital lense reclock of the singal handed off to the DAC via HDMI. The DAC handles all sampling frequencies up to 24/192 natively or one can upsample up to 24/192. I have found playing any bit depth, sampling rate to sound best played native. PS Audio also recommends this.
Rockitman  (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)


04-07-11   I agree that for the price the ps audio pieces offer a good ...   Teajay

04-18-11: Rockitman
04-07-11: Teajay
I agree that for the price the PS Audio pieces offer a good sonic performance, however they are no were close to the level of AA Tube reference DAC on redbook. I just again heard the latest generation PS Audio combo and fine it OK, but nothing to write home about if we are talking state of the art performance.

I agree with Dev, that the AA Tube DAC and MBL reference transport are still my favorite combo compared to everything I still listen to or audition.

The PS Audio doesn't use tubes, so what your saying is you like the sound of tubes ? That really has nothing to do with the D/A conversion, ect. It's just the output stage. For me, tubes color the sound which can be nice. It all comes down to preference and the rest of your system components and how well they work with your DAC of choice. When it comes to top level dacs, we are really talking about the handling of jitter and the analog output stage...The D/A chips are really a moot subject. It all depends on their implementation. For my system, I couldn't be happier with the PW combo. No upsampling required although you can if you want. I play everything Native whether it's 16/44 or 24/192.

In the end, my analog rig kicks any digital rig's butt...that's another subject all together. (wink) When you can listen to a digital rig and not get listening fatique after a couple of hours listening like analog, you have found you digital frontend nirvahnna. For me, that is the PW System.

Rockitman  (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)


04-18-11   Rockitman, i'm very glad for you that the ps audio pieces gi ...   Teajay

04-18-11: Rockitman
Hi Teajay,

I have not heard of the DAC's you mention. They sound like they are wonderful. I have been a hi-end digital guy since the mid 90's. I refused to research the analog world. My last turntable was from 1980 and I stopped spinning vinyl around 1985. That said, re-introducing myself earlier this year to analog, I found myself shocked regarding the sound of vinyl. My turntable was not cheap...around $15K with cart. All I can say is that I have not had a desire to listen to digital since then. If I have the vinyl or the CD source, even hi-rez digital, I will opt for the vinyl playback. One thing for sure, records sound like the source intended. In no way can the A/D conversion, even hi-rez digital can stand up to vinyl. Things are lost in the A/D conversion and there is no way to get around that. Auditioning an analog rig in your system and comparing it to your digital front end is a much fairer comparison than auditioning a table at a high end shop with components, speakers different than yours. I am not trying to corrupt you. My system is very highly resolving and the diffrences between analog playback and digital is clear. Different strokes for different folks I guess. Enjoy the music. Cheers !

Rockitman  (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)


04-18-11   hi teajay, you said; "i have recently tried a couple ...   Dev

04-19-11   Hi dev, yes i know that you are waiting for your vac monoblo ...   Teajay

04-18-11: Rockitman
One thing I know for sure Dev....Chasing the digital dragon never quite satisfies. Analog ? It's like coming home to roost. Home sweet home. Cheers !
Rockitman  (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)


04-19-11   I had a chance to hear a comparison of the new esoteric k-01 ...   Fcrowder

04-19-11   hi teajay, i agree it most defiantly is oaky to agree to ...   Dev

04-19-11   Teajay, while this topic has run it's course, it helped me a ...   Muralman1

06-22-11   Http://www.dagogo.com/view-article.asp?harticle=423 the wor ...   Rokka

06-23-11   Hi rokka, i had the aa dac-1mk3 and wrote a review of it he ...   Teajay

06-23-11   Muralman1, "every time the signal is switched, filtered ...   Unsound

06-23-11   Just telling it like it is. i make no bones about how i was ...   Muralman1

06-23-11   Teajay, have you tried the "se" version of your ...   Tabl10s

06-23-11   Tab110s, the answer is no for the following reasons: 1) for ...   Teajay

07-04-11   This is a great thread and ive found this very helpful in de ...   Geraldedison

07-30-11   Geraldedison one of the big magazines (hifi+ ??) has a new ...   Lloydelee21

08-05-11   Lloydelee21, thanks for the heads up, i'll check it out. i ...   Geraldedison

08-06-11   Good luck and pls keep uposted!   Lloydelee21

08-24-11   I am switching over from recent cd players like esoteric x-0 ...   Tubesrule

08-26-11   There are a lot of usb-spdif and usb-aes/ebu converters out ...   Jafox

09-10-11   I've been trying to get an audition for the amr dp 777 but n ...   Geraldedison


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