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  Reference DACS: An overall perspective
There has been many threads the last few months regarding the sonic signature of some of the highest regarded reference DACS (Dcs,Meitner,Ensemble,Audio Note,Zanden,Reimyo,Accustic Arts) here on the GON. I have been very fortunate to audtion many of these wonderful pieces in my home or friend's systems. I wanted to share, in a systematic way, my impressions/opinions with you GON members for a two reasons: 1)That my experiences might be helpful to fellow members interested in audtioning these DACS. 2)Starting an interesting discussion regarding the different "sonic flavors" of these reference digital front ends. I totally agree with the statement, "if you have not heard it you don't have an opinion". Therefore, I have no comments regarding DACS from Weiss,Goldmund,Audio Aero and Burmester because I have never had the pleasure of audtioning them. I would love to hear from members who have and share their experiences with us. My overall impression is that these DACS(Dcs,Meitner,Ensemble,Audio Note,Zanden,Reimyo,Accustic Arts) can be grouped into two molar categories regarding their overall sonic signature. By the way, all of them can throw a large/deep soundstage with excellent layering in the acoustic space with "air" around individual players on that stage. However, than they start to part company into two major categories. Category #1) These DACS "flavors" revolve around pristine clarity, fine sharp details,speed,very extended top/bottom frequencies,and great PRAT. These DACS never sound "etched" or "in your face" but are more "upfront" then "layed back" in their presentation. The DACS, to my ear's, that go into this bracket are Dcs,Ensemble,Meitner. My personnal favorite in this group is the Ensemble, which I owned for two years. These DACS remind me of the sonic signature of speakers such as Wilson,Thiel,Dynaudio, Focal/JM Labs. Category #2) These DACS "flavors" revolve around a "musical/organic" sense, natural timbres,and an easy flowing liquidity. Their "less forward" presentation my give the impression of less detail, but I think in this case its an illusion fostered by their more relaxed/organic manner. The DACS, to my ear's, that go into this bracket are Audio Note,Zanden,Reimyo,Accustic Arts. I did find that the tube DACS did not have the top/bottom frequency extenstion and PRAT of the SS DACS in this bracket. For me, the Accustic Arts DAC1-MK3 gave me the best of both categories, therefore it is now the resident DAC in my system. These DACS remind me of the sonic signature of speakers such as Magnepan,Von Schweikert,Sonus Faber. Well, it's all just my opinion regarding these digital pieces, but I hope this post was at least informative/somewhat interesting and would lend itself to other GON members sharing their impressions, not about what DAC is the "BEST" in the world, but your personnal taste and synergy with your system.
Teajay  (System | Reviews | Threads | Answers | This Thread)

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10-02-11   Hi geraldedison, any luck?   Lloydelee21

10-12-11: Geraldedison
There's been delay in the shipment, so I'm expecting to finally get my hand on a unit to test with next week.

I'll post once I get to spent some time with it.

Geraldedison  (Threads | Answers | This Thread)


10-12-11   Great!   Lloydelee21

10-21-11: Geraldedison
I don't know if you seen this posting on ComputerAudiophile where there's been some good sharing on couple of folks experience with the AMR DP 777 already.

It's worth checking out if you are interested in this DAC.

I just got my sample this week and it is going through burn-in, so not fair to comment on it yet.

Do check out this link if you like to know what these folks experience has been thus far.
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/AMR-DP777

Geraldedison  (Threads | Answers | This Thread)


10-22-11   Esoteric appears to have introduced its newest 2-box referen ...   Guidocorona

10-24-11   +1 35-bit domain? that's the first i've ever heard of it. ...   Lloydelee21

10-24-11   Lloydelee21, it is most probable that the auditorily obsessi ...   Guidocorona

10-25-11   Hi guidocorona, if you do hear it...please post...i have re ...   Lloydelee21

10-25-11   Thank you lloydelee21, if i ever manage to do some serious l ...   Guidocorona

10-27-11   Great!   Lloydelee21

10-27-11   I am absolutely thrilled with my meitner ma-1. sounds more l ...   Soundqcar

10-28-11   Hi all, i've spent a lot of time looking for the best dac f ...   Prawax

11-01-11   Prawax, thanks for the report! which digital cable and termi ...   Nilthepill

11-01-11   Hi nilthepill,   first of all thanks for your words.  i us ...   Prawax

11-01-11   Geraldedison recently i have heard the amr dp777 dac versus ...   Kops

11-01-11   Hi kops, nice system...pass and sonus faber with jorma and ...   Lloydelee21

11-08-11   Until they settle on a true supported digital format (and i ...   Rower30

01-16-12   Hi all, for what it's worth: the well-respected german magaz ...   Hassel

01-23-12   I'd love to hear the aa against the new berkeley and pwd ii. ...   Tabl10s

01-23-12   i believe none of them is state of the art anymore.   Elberoth2

01-24-12   Elberoth, what tube dacs do you feel are soa right now?   Husk01

01-31-12   I have heard the amr dp777 (in fact i just ordered one) and ...   Audiofun

02-01-12   In referrence to the link, mini review mentioned above, call ...   Dev

02-03-12   Never heard the aa so i have no opinion. i have painstakingl ...   Audiofun

02-05-12   Anyone knows a store in nyc where they have the dp-777? i ...   Guydebord

02-13-12   Unfortunately, i don't have the opportunity to hear many of ...   Mbhintz

04-06-12   Elberoth2 "the well-respected german magazine ster ...   Talk2me

04-19-12: Geraldedison
Kops,

Just to respond on your sharing on the DCS/AMR experience. I haven't had the pleasure of trying out any DCS gear myself (out of my price range :-) So I'll have to defer to your observations.

However, I do see both these DAC's approach from opposite ends of the spectrum. AMR very much focus on the PRAT aspects of music, I've learned that their designer voice the DAC to several top vinyl playback systems. So to a vinyl fan such as myself, this DAC will have it's natural appeal.

From what I've read on the DCS gear they are known for being precise and detailed. Both are virtues that should be prize, but their design philosophy is clearly of a different school from the AMR DAC.

When I was considering the AMR DAC, the others I consider were the Weiss 202 and AudioNote 4.1. The Weiss would probably be a better comparison for the DCS.

I have notice the AMR DP-777 had more polarize feedbacks than many other new products. Not trying to rationalize observations of others but I do want to note that AMR did point out they had issue with an early batch of the product where a chip was not up to spec. I had checked with AMR to confirm that my DAC was of the later issued ones without the chip problem. I think this was pointed out by AMR in their response to the Stereophile review as well. They had use a DAC with the chip problem in the review; rather stupid of them...

The other observation I want to point out, was that this DAC really transform in its break in period; much more so than other gear I dealt with. The difference between the fully broken in DAC vs the new one is pretty dramatic. Also the each input source require separate break-in because it uses different tube/circuit path. Ie- the SPDIF had uses a tube which is bypass when using USB. Likewise, the volume control had silver resistors that took 400-500 hrs to break in if you were using the volume control.

With in the $5-6K price range, the AMR offers the most of what I like in music playback.

I would love it if someone can point me to a dac that can offer more...

For Less would be even better.

I'm just happy with this DAC in the meantime as my search continues for that next DAC :-)

Geraldedison  (Threads | Answers | This Thread)


05-26-12   What are you trying to do? are you trying to hear the final ...   Sumflow

09-26-12   I haven't read this thread exhaustively, but my initial impr ...   Aewhistory

09-28-12   Hi aewhistory, i'm the one that started this thread. the th ...   Teajay

12-27-12   Hey all - i wanted to read all of this posting on dac's on ...   Septemous

12-28-12   Any ideas from anyone on the sound quality of the oppo bdp-1 ...   Tubesrule

02-16-13   I wondsr why wadia has not produced a reference dac for high ...   Alfa100

03-03-13   Very well written, i have the m2tech vaughan dac (dynamic,ag ...   Thegoodarcher


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