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  Reference DACS: An overall perspective
There has been many threads the last few months regarding the sonic signature of some of the highest regarded reference DACS (Dcs,Meitner,Ensemble,Audio Note,Zanden,Reimyo,Accustic Arts) here on the GON. I have been very fortunate to audtion many of these wonderful pieces in my home or friend's systems. I wanted to share, in a systematic way, my impressions/opinions with you GON members for a two reasons: 1)That my experiences might be helpful to fellow members interested in audtioning these DACS. 2)Starting an interesting discussion regarding the different "sonic flavors" of these reference digital front ends. I totally agree with the statement, "if you have not heard it you don't have an opinion". Therefore, I have no comments regarding DACS from Weiss,Goldmund,Audio Aero and Burmester because I have never had the pleasure of audtioning them. I would love to hear from members who have and share their experiences with us. My overall impression is that these DACS(Dcs,Meitner,Ensemble,Audio Note,Zanden,Reimyo,Accustic Arts) can be grouped into two molar categories regarding their overall sonic signature. By the way, all of them can throw a large/deep soundstage with excellent layering in the acoustic space with "air" around individual players on that stage. However, than they start to part company into two major categories. Category #1) These DACS "flavors" revolve around pristine clarity, fine sharp details,speed,very extended top/bottom frequencies,and great PRAT. These DACS never sound "etched" or "in your face" but are more "upfront" then "layed back" in their presentation. The DACS, to my ear's, that go into this bracket are Dcs,Ensemble,Meitner. My personnal favorite in this group is the Ensemble, which I owned for two years. These DACS remind me of the sonic signature of speakers such as Wilson,Thiel,Dynaudio, Focal/JM Labs. Category #2) These DACS "flavors" revolve around a "musical/organic" sense, natural timbres,and an easy flowing liquidity. Their "less forward" presentation my give the impression of less detail, but I think in this case its an illusion fostered by their more relaxed/organic manner. The DACS, to my ear's, that go into this bracket are Audio Note,Zanden,Reimyo,Accustic Arts. I did find that the tube DACS did not have the top/bottom frequency extenstion and PRAT of the SS DACS in this bracket. For me, the Accustic Arts DAC1-MK3 gave me the best of both categories, therefore it is now the resident DAC in my system. These DACS remind me of the sonic signature of speakers such as Magnepan,Von Schweikert,Sonus Faber. Well, it's all just my opinion regarding these digital pieces, but I hope this post was at least informative/somewhat interesting and would lend itself to other GON members sharing their impressions, not about what DAC is the "BEST" in the world, but your personnal taste and synergy with your system.
Teajay  (System | Reviews | Threads | Answers | This Thread)

09-15-05
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09-29-06   Teajay, 'tenacity' probably isn't the word that my wife or m ...   Exlibris

09-30-06   Teajay, this is excellent thread and it contain a lot of ver ...   Branimir

09-30-06   Branimir, could you describe (although #1.8 indicates what t ...   Nilthepill

09-30-06   Music... coltrane, monk, m.davis-usual jazz. mozart, beethov ...   Branimir

09-30-06   Branimir, as always good to hear from you and thanks for sha ...   Teajay

10-01-06   Teajay, i will try to answer your questions: 1)yes. esoteric ...   Branimir

10-01-06   Branimir, very nice summary. i am reading in to your descrip ...   Nilthepill

10-01-06   Nilthepill, metronome combo is always sounding big and full, ...   Branimir

10-01-06   Branimir, with all of this very good, very expensive gear h ...   Aldavis

10-01-06   Hi guys, i've been traveling this weekend, found this thread ...   Tmhaudio

10-02-06   Jim, arc reference cd7 is wonderfull player. it is only shor ...   Branimir

10-02-06   B, thanks for your comments. metronome has a new model (cd5- ...   Tmhaudio

10-13-06   Great thread. nice to see some usefull exchanges without thi ...   Petland

10-14-06   Petland, i believe what you are concerned with, losing exten ...   Teajay

10-14-06: Petland
Thanks for your response Teajay.
Just a comment on low end "extension". It has been my experience that among other things one of the easiest ways I can identify great analogue from great digital is not in the deep bass but in the low / midbass. this is where I have found almost all digital to just be "off" most of the time. Funny thing is that the best digital is usually quite a bit more extended but almost in an unnatural way. Throw an old cassette player into your system for an experiement. The first thing you will notice is a foundation and pace in the midbass that just sounds right and propels the music. To me it is the easiest thing to identify when hearing master tape for example. I do not think I have truly ever heard this from digital, ever. And I have heard a lot (not trying to bark up another tree, just commenting on the "extension" I may lose if I switch Dacs)

sometimes you learn the same lessons more than once about what you sonically prefer. It seems like an easy thing to pin down but that is not always true.

One of the interesting things for me in the past six months is that I have been searching for my first real full range speaker which by default bumps me into a three way. I have demoed some of the most highly regarded and have not wanted one of them. The take home message for me personally is that I love the coherence, particularly in the midband, of a great two way and am willing to live with the limitations that come with that design.

This applies indirectly to my intial post as in some ways the best "type 1" dacs are striving to include it all that digital can muster, at full scale, often at the slight expense of the best possible in the midband depending on someones taste. I know for certain the 3.1 will have tradeoffs and I'll bet I'm pretty accurate as to where they will be. What I am not sure of is whether I will care or not. I may just have to give it try.

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10-19-06   how would mating a accustic arts dac 1 mk4 with a ml 31.5 t ...   Sabertouch

10-19-06   I will be able to tell you how the following combos compare ...   Exlibris

10-19-06   Exlibris, have you received your jisco re-clocker yet? i'm ...   Garyk

10-20-06   Sabertouch, at one time i had the ml-31.5 as my reference tr ...   Teajay

10-20-06   Garyk, i did receive it and it is wonderful. it did everyth ...   Exlibris

10-20-06   New digital gear: accuphase dc-801 dac accuphase dp-800 sacd ...   Branimir

10-21-06   Exlibris and teajay, thanks for your replies. i will be anx ...   Sabertouch

10-21-06   Holy cow branimir. another improved version of the x01 ? wha ...   Aldavis

10-22-06   Al, new esoteric x-01 d2 could be revolutionary player! big ...   Branimir

10-23-06   Branimir, since my mephistoii still holds very well and outp ...   Kops

10-22-06   I did a google search for esoteric x01 d2 and found the foll ...   Aldavis

10-22-06   Thanks branimir. any idea of price ?   Aldavis

10-23-06   Al, regarding price my guess is $15k in usa. since new x-01 ...   Branimir

10-24-06   Esoterix x01 d2 seems very very interesting, branimir i gues ...   Kops

10-24-06   A new teac x-01 d2? ok, now i am officially depressed!   Guidocorona

10-25-06   Branimir, have you got any updated views on the krell evol ...   Darenw

10-28-06   Brainimir, do you know when the 4th generation vrds neo will ...   Frankg

11-08-06   Exlibris, do you have any results from you comparison of the ...   Sabertouch

11-09-06   I have just read another, about the third, superlative revie ...   Teajay

11-09-06   I haven't had a chance to hear the new aa stuff in my system ...   Exlibris

11-13-06   I think stereotimes has review of the maestro   Henryhk

11-13-06   I just want to share my experiences regarding auditioning th ...   Teajay

11-16-06   Teajay, your impressions of dp-78 match exactly my own on t ...   Guidocorona

11-20-06   Hello, to everybody who still follows and participates on th ...   Teajay

11-21-06   First about krell evolution 505... it is imho one of the bes ...   Branimir

11-23-06   I wish everyone the best of luck with their dacs. i probably ...   Exlibris

11-25-06   Exlibris, were you ever able to demo the accustic arts dac w ...   Sabertouch

11-25-06   Sabertouch, i was going to demo the accustic arts dac with m ...   Exlibris

11-26-06   Forsell designs their transport and dac to sound just like t ...   Jsadurni

12-06-06   I found out from my dealer that after ces, teac will be upgr ...   Deshapiro

12-07-06   Exilbris...why not consider the zanden transport when u have ...   Henryhk

12-07-06   Henryhk, i certainly did consider the zanden transport. i j ...   Exlibris

12-10-06   Fair enough. though i only listed to digital, a well set up ...   Henryhk

12-10-06   Esoteric x-01 d2 now has a web page: http://www.teac.co.jp/a ...   Ckkeung

12-11-06   Branimir, would you mind elaborating further on the differe ...   No_slouch


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