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  Esoteric DV-50: Any cdp's Significantly better?
Is there are anyone out there who has compared the Esoteric DV-50 to a number of dedicated red book only players (or other universal's) and found one that is SIGNIFICANTLY better?

I stress significantly because in my humble opinion the redbook playback (if comparison unit is just a cd cd player only )must be significantly better to justify losing DVD-A, SACD and DVD-Video capability.

I keep hearing there are better one box solutions and being a die hard 2 channel fan I would sell my DV-50 if I found a player in the same price range that sounds significantly better. But every time I do an AB comparision to other well respected units the DV-50 has slayed each and every one.

So far, it has eaten the lunch of the Classe CDP-10, Ayre CX-7, Linn Ikemi, Cairn Fog Vers. 2, Cary 306/300, Arcam DV 27A and CD 33T, Myryad CD 600, etc. It even betters a Sony SCD 777ES/MF Tri-Vista 21 transport/dac combo that I previously owned. I'm only comparing the DV-50 to single box cd or universal players, but I just wanted to mention the Sony/MF combo. I'm sure there are some dac/transport combo's that will handily beat the DV 50.

Some may say that the DV 50 should beat all the above because the of price point ($5,500 vs. average price of $3,000 for the above players). But I disagree since conventional wisdom says that stand alone players (especially with the pedigree of those mentioned above) should produce better redbook than a universal player trying to be a jack of all trades. Only the DV 27A does video plus audio. By the way, I was very impressed with the 27A as just a cd player. Of all the above I would say the Ayre was the best.

Next on my list is the Electrocompaniet EMC 1UP and the Resolution Audio Opus 21. However, I must tell you I am really impressed with the DV 50 and all the great reviews are absolutely true. I've noticed that many people who are using it or comparing to other players are using the RCA analog outs instead of the balanced outs. There is a significant improvement in sound if you use the balanced outs and I'm only interested in hearing comments from people who have compared it against other players using the balanced outs on the DV-50.

My system components are as follows:

B&W N803's speakers & HTM-1 center
Cary Cinema 5 (5 x 200) amp
Anthem D1 Statement pre/pro
Esoteric DV 50
Acoustic Zen Satori Shotgun speaker wire
Nirvana SX balanced interconnects from DV-50 to Anthem
Acoustic Zen Matrix reference II interconnects from D1 to Cary
No after market power cords or isolation equipment

My system sounds great! Those who comment please make sure to specify what specific improvements you heard over the DV 50 and what cdp were you comparing it against.

AVGURU
Avguru  (Threads | Answers | This Thread)

11-06-04
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11-30-04   Agreed, there is no better "all solid state" than ...   Aplhifi

11-30-04   Already suggested. but, where can the chicago-based shooto ...   Guidocorona

12-01-04   See if can find the reimyo player too as many consider it to ...   Abrahavt

12-01-04   Now it is being suggested that "the actual transport is ...   Reb1208

12-01-04   Reb1208, have you heard sacd playback with meitner digital p ...   Aplhifi

12-01-04   I really have to take issue with aplhifi's statement that &q ...   Mgottlieb

12-01-04   Mgottlieb, i would have to agree with you! this is the reaso ...   Aplhifi

12-01-04   Ok, i couldn't take it any longer! it turns out that the so ...   Pscialli

12-01-04   Aplhifi: "it will turn out very expensive"? read ...   Mgottlieb

12-01-04   "there is nothing out there in its stock for that outpe ...   Reb1208

12-01-04   Mgottlieb, i hope you are right...:-) it would probably be b ...   Aplhifi

12-01-04   Reb1208, please note the "all solid state"...:-) ...   Aplhifi

12-02-04   Fellow audiophiles: i am looking to wrap up my search for t ...   Avguru

12-02-04   I have been following this thread since mid november. i am ...   Dbld

12-02-04   Avguru, thanks for your review, it is absolutely infomative ...   Sinosin

12-02-04   Avguru, fanatstic job in reviewing. you really gave us what ...   Reb1208

12-02-04   And not only me of course. there are so few machines out the ...   Reb1208

12-02-04   Avguru, what you are hearing on the sony mod, is exactly wha ...   Jayctoy

12-02-04   I hate to keep harping on these little points, but personal ...   Mgottlieb

12-02-04   Avguru, now that you've got the tube bug, you must audition ...   Larryi

12-02-04   This has been an interesting thread and i think has really h ...   Smw30yahoocom

12-02-04   Dbld, continue to enjoy your dv 50s! it is a truly great p ...   Avguru

12-02-04   Larryi, thanks for the referral. i think i will look into ...   Avguru

12-02-04   Sinosin, good to see you join the thread again! haven't hea ...   Avguru

12-02-04   Fascinating review, avguru! yet it is my understanding that ...   Guidocorona

12-02-04   Guys, i have been sitting on the sidelines for a few days, b ...   711smilin

12-02-04   Guido, i will get the x-01 or the ux-01 as time permits, in ...   711smilin

12-02-04   Avguru, the audionote site is: audionote.co.uk the top-of- ...   Larryi

12-02-04   Wow, what a journey. thanks for taking me along. i have expe ...   Reb1208

12-02-04   Thank you 711. i am rooting for you guys!!!   Guidocorona

12-02-04   Here's a thought for the modders:check out the upcoming esot ...   Aldavis

12-02-04   Avguru- as much as i think of myself as uncompromising (my f ...   Dbld

12-02-04   Mgottlieb,i would admit, iam not expert like you, i dont go ...   Jayctoy

12-02-04   Mgottlieb, jactoy's last point is quite interesting and one ...   Avguru

12-02-04   Aldavis, just when i thought the duststorm was starting to s ...   Guidocorona

12-02-04   Jayctoy, i will give you my impressions of your modwright so ...   711smilin

12-02-04   The quest for the best continues! you all will be happy to ...   Avguru

12-03-04: Mgottlieb
Avguru and Jayctoy: If you go back and look at everything I've said, I have never claimed that anything I have or have heard is the best there is or can be. Usually what draws a comment from me is someone else's suggestion that something is "the best" or really gets what's on the source. And this skepticism extends to reviewers as well: a friend of mine who distributes a couple of well known and pricey products assures me that if you saw the listening rooms in which many reviewers listen to new products you wouldn't believe a word they say. As to specific questions:

1. I have heard very few modded products, but I have no reason to believe that a talented modifier can't work wonders with a stock product, most of which are built to a price point. If a manufacturer wants to sell something for $2000, but would need to charge $2200 to sell it with a better internal component and therefore chooses not to use it, why shouldn't a modifier be able to put one in, charge you $500 for the mod, and achieve better sound? [Of course, the problem is, is it better or just different? There are tradeoffs, remember.]

2. In fact my Classe Omega SACD player was in actuality a $12000 reworking of the $5000 SONY SCD-1, and was noticeably superior in every respect. Was that a modification, even though done by a major manufacturer? Depends how you define modification. I heard some mods of the SCD-1 and they were pretty good, but did they come close to the Classe? Not hardly. But the starting point of all of them was an absolutely superb transport mechanism.

3. Would I buy a real modded unit? Maybe, but it would have to be a modification of a stock unit I would have considered buying anyway, and for me that means the build quality would have to be very good. I have heard people rave about the sound of components which were lightweight and flimsy and supposedly sounded good despite their construction, but I've just never heard one I liked--something was always compromised about the sound as far as I was concerned.

4. Hello, where on earth did you ever get the idea that I own anything I wouldn't consider replacing? Certainly not from me. When this thread started back in the 19th century I had just replaced my Classe with an X-01, mainly because I had just received DSD-capable versions of the dCS units, and had listened to the Meitner gear on someone else's system, and wanted something that could do in SACD what dCS and EMM had accomplished without having to put up with what I didn't like about their respective transports. So three of my four digital components are new this year, and the fourth is eighteen months old. Of course, there are limits. Some time next year the three-box Esoteric digital system is going to role in, for about $40,000, and of course I'll want it. But no, I'll have to do without; for now I'm through. Life is full of hardships, I'm afraid.

5. What do I like best about what I've got? That it sounds more like what I hear in the hall, at least in kind, than anything I've heard (which I can afford, if I suck it in hard enough) so far.

6. Me a guru? No one is a guru who doesn't understand how things work, and for all I know there is concrete and spaghetti in them thar boxes. I know what I like, and I don't confuse that with anything else.

All from me, I think. This thread has been fun, but it's getting old.

Mgottlieb  (Reviews | Answers | This Thread)


12-03-04   Mgottlieb, thanks for your response. it was very thorough. ...   Avguru

12-03-04   There will be more shootout on cdp,brian from essential audi ...   Jayctoy

12-03-04   Mgottlieb, bravo on your post, well said.   711smilin

12-03-04   Mgottlieb, yours was a very cogent response. there is no do ...   Tvad

12-03-04   Jactoy, great news! i also received an e-mail from brian an ...   Avguru

12-03-04   Mgottlieb, i forgot to ask you what you thought of the mult ...   Avguru

12-03-04   I'll have the atma-sphere amps and preamp as well :-) brian   Essentialaudio

12-03-04   Aldavis, spoke to teac in california this morning. the two ...   Avguru

12-03-04   Avguru: i never found anything further on the dvd-a perform ...   Mgottlieb

12-03-04   Mgottlieb, thnaks. when i listen to the ux1 tomorrow i wil ...   Avguru

12-03-04   Avguru: no. if i could permanently turn off the video i'd b ...   Mgottlieb

12-03-04   Avguru, often companies "fudge" release dates ...   Aldavis


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