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  Dynaudio Confidence 5 vs Harbeth
Hi All,

Looking at changing my my C5 out to the Harbeth range. For those that know the C5 it has a great mid range, in fact the overal presentaion is very good, just a hard speaker to drive. It has been compared to the temptation in the way of sound. It is a lot nicer speaker than any of the current confidence range by far.

Anyone done a side my side comparison with the C5 and the Harbeths or heard both? Would love to hear your thoughts. I can't hear the harbeths (as no distributor in my country) so I'm taking a wild guess here.

I found the Proac (Tablette Ref 8 Sig) to quite frankly sound harsh in the mids / highs compared to the C5 which were silky smooth. We are talking two diferent prices here. The Dyns cost over twice the value of the Harbeths when I brought them. So am I expecting to much from the Harbeths?

Obviously looking at improving the sound. Mainly into vocals and going to harbeth I can afford to change to a lot smaller amp. Presently using 220W of OTL to drive the Dyns and they do a great job of it (dont go past 12 o'clock) on the pre amp.

Thanks all for your input.
Che13  (Threads | Answers | This Thread)

05-10-10
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05-10-10: Tom_hankins
Pdreher went from Dynaudio to Harbeth. You might want to check with him on his findings. Good luck.
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05-10-10: Mmike84
I've heard Harbeths and C-2's and C-4's but not C-5's. However I'm willing to wager all the Dynaudios are pretty different sounding from Harbeth. I really think you should attempt to hear the Harbeths before committing. And yes your amps are complete overkill. I have found Harbeths to be easy to drive. I was using an 85 WPC tube amp on Super HL-5's with excellent results.
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05-10-10: Ryder
Since you prefer the Confidence 5 over the current Confidence range of speakers, I wager you like a sound that has more meat on the bones with less top-end detail. Hence I am not surprised you have found the Proac Tablette Ref 8 Sigs to sound harsh and bright since most Proacs are thin-sounding in the midrange with extended top-end.

I have not listened to the Confidence 5 but heard the C1 and C4. Harbeth speakers are not as analytical as the Dynaudios, sound more organic from midrange to the top and possess lower levels of listening fatigue. If you listen mainly to vocals and favor the usage of low-powered amps, the Harbeth makes an excellent proposition.

Although price is predominantly the factor in establishing the quality of equipment in that gears which are priced higher *should* sound better than the cheaper ones, there can be some good and cheaper gears that outperform their higher-priced equivalents. If you are worried the cheaper Harbeths may not sound any better than the more costly Dynaudio Confidence 5, think again. Pdreher moved from the latest C4's to the Harbeth.

Good luck.

Ryder  (System | Reviews | Threads | Answers | This Thread)


05-10-10   Thanks ryder, you described the proacs spot on, way to much ...   Che13

05-10-10: Ryder
Hi Che13,

No problem. I have owned the Proac Tablette 50 Signatures and similarly they lasted less than 2 months in my system due to their leanness and lack of body. No doubt the Proacs possess excellent pin-point imaging but their lean sound and treble cause a high-listening fatigue as my ears couldn't tolerate the piercing treble in extended listening sessions. Most folks who use Proac bookshelves compensate the brightness with the warmth of tube amps. The floorstanders don't sound as lean as the added bass gives a more fuller sound.

Good luck in auditioning some Harbeth speakers when you are in the US.

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05-11-10: Toetapfactor
IMO, just because 1 guy sold his C4s and bought Harbeths doesnt make it a good move..The Dynaudio Confidence line is in another league to the Harbeth 40.1s and its siblings.I would strongly suggest listening to them for a long time before moving in a backward direction..Oh ,I much prefer the C4s to the older C5s you have..Easier to drive & better tweeters..Just my take.
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05-11-10: Ryder
Agreed that everything is IMO. In this hobby everything is subjective as the listener's musical preference will take precedence over anything else. The Dynaudio Confidence may be in another league for one and the Harbeth to another. I have listened to the Dynaudio C4s at hifi shows driven by equipment that can buy a nice house and I preferred the sound of the Harbeth. Not to say the Harbeths are in another league. It is more appropriate to say the Harbeth house sound suits my listening preferences more than the Dynaudios.
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05-11-10: Chashas1
I would say that most listeners who like or own Harbeths would not like Dynaudios....I certainly don't. And yes, I've heard a good deal of the line. :)
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05-11-10: Pdreher
Ryder hit the nail on the head when he said:
"In this hobby everything is subjective as the listener's musical preference will take precedence over anything else. The Dynaudio Confidence may be in another league for one and the Harbeth to another."

From what I have read, the C-5's have a fine reputation. What don't you like about them other than being difficult to drive?

In my case, I tired of the C-4's inability to sound good at low to moderate volume levels, and they were not as musically involving as I would have liked. The M-40.1's driven by a moderately powered Mac tube amp have delivered in those areas my C-4's did not.

I'm not saying you should make the switch... but for me, it was the right decision.

Pdreher  (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)


05-12-10   I'm sure there are many hungry wolves waiting to grab your c ...   Shsohis

05-12-10: Toetapfactor
IMO, im not really sure why you would want to jump ship and buy or even consider Harbeths.The C1s with a nice sub at 1/2 the price will out perform the 40.1s which are slow,extremely colored , rolled of highs ,very inefficient etc etc.Where as Dynaudio is the complete opposite.So I would agree with the above poster and try a listen to the C1s.Again, just my opinion
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05-12-10: Semi
as a former C5 owner, I have owned more than 1 pair of C5, I will caution your move.

I don't need to tell you about C5 strength, but I wonder if you have squeezed out the last bit of C5 strength yet. what are you using for amp? C5 are hard to drive, but if you feed them with high current amps, they sing very nicely.

I have owned some ProAc (D15 & R3.8), have heard some Harbeth, they are very different from most of Dynaudio and even further from C5. among them, I prefer C5 over others but my love for tube forced me to sell the C5. I am happier with tube + other speakers, I found C5 performance can be reproduced or better by other speakers in similar price point.

Semi  (Threads | Answers | This Thread)


05-16-10   Hi semi, i'm driving the c5 with 220a of calls a tubes per ...   Che13

05-16-10   Che13 - what is the size of your room?   Pdreher

05-16-10   Pdreher, 13.5'x13.5'x9'.   Ryder

05-17-10   Hi ryder, remeasured last night, 14ft by 14ft. still small ...   Che13

05-18-10   Yes, in a room that size, i'd be looking at monitors with a ...   Pdreher

05-18-10   You have c5s in a 14 square room,lol!...no speaker will perf ...   Toetapfactor

05-19-10   Toetap... your skills of diplomacy are as subtle as a batter ...   Pdreher

05-20-10   The truth stings like a bit** sometimes...we all know or sho ...   Toetapfactor

05-20-10   As unpleasant as it sounds, toetapfactor is right about fitt ...   Semi

05-20-10   Thanks all for your input...i don't mind the bluntness...bes ...   Che13

05-20-10   The truth is there are speakers who can sound great in a roo ...   Branislav

05-20-10   Oh i get it, this one is square...   Branislav

09-29-11   Any issue with the confidence c5 is setup and room. the myth ...   Phillyb

09-30-11: Nolitan
i have owned and heard a few dynas myself. Great speakers provided they are driven with good power, otherwise, it can sound hard.
However, i still much prefer the overall musicality of the harbeth.
They might not be as revealing as the dynas but they are a beautiful musical tranducer.
They are also less fussy on gear matching... they sound fuller on the midrange, but not as refined sounding as the dynas on the top.
Bass on the harbeths are not as tight as the dynas.
However, the harbeths just somehow charm you with musicality.
Dynas will give you truth, harbeths will give you beauty.
Choose your poison as in the end, it boils down to musical preference.

Nolitan  (Threads | Answers | This Thread)


09-30-11   Why limit yourself...check out all speakers if indeed you ar ...   Stringreen

09-30-11: Mapman
For someone considering a Dynaudio to Harbeth switch and also challenged to be able to audition, it might be worth taking a look at what is available from OHM Acoustics for in home audition at www.ohmspeakers.com. OHM has some vintage models that remind me of Harbeth for much less when available refurbed with latest drivers. Also I find the Walsh line and general OHM sound not unlike Dynaudio (I own both) although teh omni Walsh driver design delivers music much differently than conventional box designs or even planars.
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