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are subwoofers anti-audiophile?

I have been into this hobby 25 years now and have noticed not a lot of us use Subwoofers in our systems. I have 2 systems, one which is a Celestion SL700 with their Celestion System 6000 subwoofer pair with a outboard crossover-----my other system has changed quite a bit, but with always large floorstanding speakers. I have also always had adequate power to the speakers. My floorstanding system cannot match the realism i get from my Celestion/subwoofer system. In my floorstanding system, it is almost like the bassist is backstage playing, while the rest of the band is front stange and center. This leads me to my question. Why don't most of us use subwoofers? I am a member of an audiophile club and we do system hops and no one has a subwoofer in their 2 channel systems. Justlisten  (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread) 03-31-10

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Click title to read one, or click date to read all below it. 03-31-10   I think it's because (1) most really good music-oriented spe ...   Jimmdavis 03-31-10   I'm with you. even large floor standers benefit from the ad ...   Bigbucks5 03-31-10   Subs can be difficult to integrate with satelite speakers. m ...   Jmcgrogan2 04-01-10   Right on bigbucks. however, my floor standers aren't very la ...   Lars 04-01-10   A good sub, set up the right way, should not even be noticed ...   Zydo 04-01-10   Agree with jmcgrogan2 100%. subs for hometheatre can embelli ...   Has2be 04-01-10   I have often wondered about this myself. i certainly underst ...   Bryoncunningham 04-01-10   I have been running right and left b&w subs with my n802's f ...   Krell1 04-01-10   I think it depends on what kind of music you listen to and h ...   Gunbei 04-01-10   I am onboard with john 100%;when done properly there should ...   Rleff 04-01-10   If i could find a true full range speaker system, namely 20 ...   Ericjcabrera 04-01-10   "...when done properly there should be no indication of ...   Bigbucks5 04-01-10   I think that almost all music systems benefit from stereo su ...   Aldavis 04-01-10   Over the years, i too have found complications, mostly with ...   Justlisten 04-01-10   I have a small room, but still like a full bass response, so ...   Everest_audio 04-01-10   Here is why i decided to loose the sub i had in my system. i ...   Grannyring 04-01-10   I believe there are many listeners that prefer an excess of ...   Rhljazz 04-01-10   One issue is philosophical. there is a retro/zen subgroup o ...   Martykl 04-01-10   no--some systems are truly full range without subs others a ...   Ras422 04-01-10   Grannyrig, no sub has a brick wall filter causing it stop pr ...   Aldavis 04-01-10   The physics favor separate bass enclosures. the best locati ...   Drew_eckhardt 04-01-10   Most people over use their subwoofers. used properly- a high ...   Vernneal 04-01-10   Aldavis, thanks for the input. the volume setting on the su ...   Grannyring 04-01-10   I bought a martin logan dynamo subwoofer (sealed design) rec ...   Fusion10 04-01-10: Aldavis Well grannrig I'm stumped. I guess I'd have to hear what your hearing to be of any real help. What ever sounds best to you is all that counts. - jim Aldavis  (Threads | Answers | This Thread) 04-01-10   What one person might perceive as weight, another might perc ...   Gunbei 04-02-10   that sums it up pretty well gunbei. some folks enjoy the ad ...   Jmcgrogan2 04-02-10   The designer joachim gerhard (virgo,caldera,medea) keep away ...   Nandric 04-02-10   Lowest bass string is 41.2hz. 5 or 6 string bass guitars are ...   Kijanki 04-02-10   Nandric writes: the designer joachim gerhard (virgo,caldera, ...   Drew_eckhardt 04-02-10   Hey john, my problem is that depending on mood and music i ...   Gunbei 04-03-10   Drew, there are now class d amps. let's say 2 or 3 subs ti ...   Martykl 04-03-10   Kij, bosendorfer imperial grand goes an octave lower than th ...   Magfan 04-03-10   Magfan - thank you for the link. i didn't realize that ocat ...   Kijanki 04-03-10   Hi kijanski&drew, i am an admirer of gerhard and enjoyed vir ...   Nandric 04-03-10   I cannot speak for others, of course, but my experiences wit ...   Tbg 04-04-10   Tbg-when you tried intregrating with stats were you using a ...   Rleff 04-05-10   Most subwoofers are a total design compromise thus many not ...   Johnk 04-05-10   Rleff, well with some i really don't remember. my infinity s ...   Tbg 04-05-10   It all depends on the system. for example, the powered subwo ...   Jburidan 04-07-10   Tbg try center placement of your subwoofer. also try moving ...   Johnk 04-07-10   Tbg-i have no experience with horns;what kind of problems do ...   Rleff 04-07-10   One could argue that only audiophiles should use subs. as ha ...   Unsound 04-07-10   Ericjcbrera, there are plenty for full range speakers availa ...   Unsound 04-07-10   04-07-10: unsound nandric, stereophile is fixated on 20-20k ...   Drew_eckhardt 04-07-10   Drew, ?! +/- ?   Unsound 04-07-10   I remember going over to put my ear next to the vandersteen ...   Pubul57 04-07-10   Drew, thanks! it's funny how the longer one belives somethin ...   Unsound 04-07-10   I have vandersteen 5a with built in subs, great speakers for ...   Programmergeek 04-08-10   Hi all, my reference to joachim gerhard was not accidental. ...   Nandric 04-08-10   Nandric, i don't share your sentiments. i love quality organ ...   Tbg 04-08-10   Some comments have been made about the "speed" of ...   Audiokinesis 04-08-10   Rleff, sorry i missed your follow up question. basically it ...   Tbg 04-09-10   Tbg thanks. duke since you are a speaker designer and a soun ...   Rleff 04-09-10   Dukes earls idea is a good one. swarms of small subs sure wo ...   Johnk

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