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I was wondering how long it would take for this thread to d ... Tbg
Tomorrow, saturday, i will be auditioning the piano cera spe ... Bostonbean
I forgot to add that the spectron will be directly compared ... Bostonbean
Thank you all for your explanations, i'm sorry if i insisted ... Ciro71
Ciro71, try google. Tbg
Sorry, but google does translations suck. these days i'm g ... Ciro71
Go to the munich show. you could probably hear a comparison. Tbg
Got it, thanks. but i wanted you to know that differences fo ... Ciro71
I have not heard a comparison, but the sweetness of the top ... Tbg
Tbg saying the the contriva se sounds betters to you than su ... Argyro
Argyro, i don't understand why you would say that. there are ... Tbg
Tbg, you need to focus on the fact that the sunray is a tw ... Geopolitis
Geopolitis, frankly all of that is irrelevant for me. i don' ... Tbg
Geopolitis, any idea how "black" ceramic driver di ... Quanmer
Quanmer, you better ask tidal for more technical info.... ... Geopolitis
""geopolitis, any idea how "black" ceram ... Elviukai
Elviukai, i suggest you take a look in the news section in ... Geopolitis
Tbg my comment was more close to a "joke" than an ... Argyro
Geopolitics,"quite possibly the best speaker in the wor ... Focalfan
Focalfan, i am glad you found the right speaker for you. ... Geopolitis
Geopolitics,"a person like you that believes that any f ... Focalfan
Because of the kindness of linkster i had an opportunity to ... Bostonbean
Ok maybe we stop at some point? bashing speakers whe have ... Elviukai
Bostonbean, welcome to tidalist family, can you describe mor ... Quanmer
Hi, my name is jörn, designer behind tidal and i just want ... Tidal
Thanks for your response jorn. i couldn't agree with you mo ... Bostonbean
Quanmer, let me first say that i am by no means an audiophi ... Bostonbean
Hello, I’m a Tidal Contriva owner and not an active (writing) Audiogonner, but I’m reading this forum for over a year now. English is not my mother language but can read and write Fortran and Pascal very well. I’m a music lover over 40 years and have experience with audio apparatus as well.
I did also play the bedroom guitar (acoustic and electric) and love this instrument and know how is must sound. Here are my findings about the remarkable Tidal Contriva (Not the SE or Diacera):
The speaker has very, very little or no sound made by itself and is one of the very few, which can make a very realistic view of the performers in depth, width and height and get the dynamics right.
This was always a compromise, or there was space and depth and little dynamics or there was great dynamics but no relation to space and depth.
Most speakers with great dynamics do emphasize the first attack and do a bad job with the signal after this first shot. Smash in your face and no real space and depth.
Phase shifts in the signal are responsible for the “Place in Space” and the brain does the calculations with this information and not so much with the relative loudness of the signal. When this is not correct, the brain is working overtime to correct and compensate this (mis) -information. Speakers which are more right in time and space (filters with respect to phase) are less “real life dynamic”, again the brain in uncomfortable with the smoother dynamics and interpreted this as less realistic.
For me this was resulting in buying the Avalon Opus (4-way) (after IMF, B&W, Thiel and more) and feed them with one of the fastest amplifier in the world: the Atma-Sphere MA1. For years this was very involving for me, but then I was beginning to miss the dynamics such as produced by Wilson Audio. Changing cables or amplifiers didn’t add any speed.
I do have two separate (both shielded and balanced) 230 VAC circuits with old fashioned circuit breakers (silver, copper and/or gold fuses) and a dedicated to audio only ground pin, 28 meters (92 feet) in the Dutch clay, and all this doesn’t make the Opus any faster. Yes there is more “gestalt” and the total picture is more life but not live. You can hear all the differences and they worked out very well and makes listening more pleasant. I have done almost anything to the acoustics which is possible in a normal medium sized family living room and end up with 2 large tube traps behind the curtains, carpets on the floor and walls, a air suspended audio rack and the use of Zilplex (a better and less costly alternative for the acoustic system resonators). And to make a long story a little shorter: I found all this “wanted audio aspects” in a speaker from the “unknown” TIDAL company.
I contacted Jörn for just over a year ago and this did result in buying the Contriva in 2011. Jörn and his right-hand Felix personally delivered and installed the Contriva’s in my living room. The Contriva’s are revealing, fast and spacious and oh so naturally sounding. No sound of there own, real dynamics (at low and high volumes). No ceramic sound, but it differs of course from the less stiffer paper cones. The result of using Accuton (Thiel & Partner) is Imo that you can hear more micro information while the cone is doing the macro dynamics and that (with a well engineered filter network) the phase relationship is not corrupted. This means that you can hear a cymbal in space like in the real world: explosive and with all that beautiful “tingle”, “tangle” and “shimmering” and staying on the same position. Not so perfect (engineered) speakers can’t do that and throws the sound (for a short while) in front of the speakers, moving back to the original position after the pulse (attack) is gone and giving the space related micro information again, not disturbed by the large scaled dynamics.
My brain is not working in overload anymore, at least a lot less then before the Tidal Contriva’s.
Sometimes it just appears if the music is going a little bit slower then before, I mean that a second is lasting a fraction longer then before. It’s more relaxing, involving and not tracking attention to itself or it should be the perfect piano lacquer and the beautiful lines of the mighty Contriva.
Maceear (Answers | This Thread)
Hello maceear! excellent description of the tidal sound. w ... Argyro
Maceear, surprisingly, it's the first time, i felt someone c ... Quanmer
Hello all, with the slower sounding music i do not mean a s ... Maceear
Maceear, i also played guitar, years ago, but i know exactly ... Quanmer
Hello quanmer, nice that you feel the same thing about this. ... Maceear
Maceear, what is zilplex? can't find any in google. Quanmer
Hello quanmer, the zilplex are resonators from a very small ... Maceear
Macceear, since member wiebe has not added to this, can you ... Tbg
Hello all, sorry for the late answer (work and time-differen ... Maceear
Maceear, i guess it was three rocky mountain audio fests ago ... Tbg
Maceear, neither "wiebe" nor "zilplex" c ... Quanmer
Hello music lovers robert send me a mail; there are questio ... Wiebe
Wiebe, can you tell me more how zilplex works? i need to kno ... Quanmer
Hello happy listeners. sorry, jou have to wait a few days fo ... Wiebe
Hello readers, when you have a two speaker system and the tw ... Wiebe
Hi tidal listeners, and want to be’s. go to the tidal site ... Maceear
I am currently considering either rockport arrakis 2 or tida ... Roysen
Roysen, i am afraid that not so many people here have heard ... Quanmer
Hello roysen, i didn’t hear the rockports, so i do not have ... Maceear
I went to audition sunray today, i admit jorn is right, the ... Quanmer
I heard the sunray for about an hour last year in munich acc ... Argyro