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  "Frightening" or "Relaxing" sound quality?
What do I mean by that?
Not that I wish to start a new controversy --- knowing some of the usual contributors, it may not be entirely avoidable, so let’s see what gives.

Following some of the threads on the –ultimate- ‘phase-coherent’, 'time-coherent' or yet better, both, 1st order up to steep slopes, an so on, cross-over opinions, I have these notions. So let me explain.

One quite well known ‘maverick’ (done some picking on some other well known reviewer, posting it on his site...), somewhere he states: a good speaker must have the ability 'to frighten you' --- his words, and I can see/hear what he means, at least I think so.

Some other dealer in Wilson’s marvellous products (he's around my place), tells me he can only listen for about ½ hour than he is 'exhausted' --- i.e. too intense to do any longer listening…

Nobody is talking about ‘listening fatigue’ actually, it is more an emotional fatigue, as far as I get it.

Now me, I go to a life orchestra listening and emerge pretty well ‘up-lifted’, never had any fatigue (maybe my bottom, when it got a bit too lengthy) never mind emotional fatigue! Gimme Mahler, Stravinsky, Mussorgsky, heavy (classical) metal, whow --- upliftment. Never occur to me run away, get uneasy, GET FRIGHTENED!

I clearly get ‘emotional fatigue’ listening to some types of speakers!
What were they?
I think they had one thing in common: They all where, in some way, VERY realistic, but they also had something else in common, --- they did not, as it seems, stick too well to a reasonably flat amplitude response… ah ha.

What this design regimen seems to produce during listening to keep on making you jump? Apparently always something rather unexpected in happening! Now we do also know what makes us (as humans) ‘jump’: it is some unexpected ‘something’ coming ‘out of the bush’ a snapping branch, some sort of VERY REAL sound, that does not quite go along with the general set of the acoustic environment.

Now take some ‘benign, dumb’ kind of speaker, it has so little in REALISTIC sound to offer, it just can’t frighten you. You (your instinct, subconscious) just don’t ‘buy’ into it.
Now take a VERY realistic sound-producer (the ones that can make you jump) and mess with the amplitude response, what you are getting is this on the edge of your seat reaction. The VERY opposite of what a lot of music has as its intention. (Not like AV ‘Apocalypse now’ kind of chopper going to attack you from any old angle, top, behind, etc.)

Lastly, has this something to do with why lots of folks perhaps shy away from these sort of designs?
I have listened to my share and I shy away, because as REAL everything seems to be in the reproduction, it keeps me in a state of inner tension, apprehension --- even listening to some Mozart Chamber music, as there is ALWAYS something very REAL, but somehow unsettling going on.

It might just explain why some of these designs don’t ‘cut the mustard’ and not survive in the long run. Unless, and open to opinion, that we are (most of us anyway) so messed up and transistor-radio-sound-corrupted that we seem ‘unworthy of these ‘superior’ audio-designs.
I honestly don’t think so, but you may have it otherwise, as they say YMMV.

I thought it is of value to bring this up, since it does not ever seem to be part of any of the more ‘technical’ discussions ---- the human ‘fright/flight’ element in ignoring proper FLAT amplitude response in favour of minimal insertion losses, or proper impedance compensation, notch filtering, et al, just so to obtain this form of stressful realism.

It might be also something to do with age, a much younger listener (in my experience) likes to be stirred up, and emotionally knocked all over the place ---- listening to Baroque music like bungee jumping?!
Maybe.
It be interesting to hear if it is just my form of ‘over-sensitiveness’ that brings forth this subject.
Best,
Axel
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04-26-09
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04-26-09   An excellent thinking mans post. i hope this dose evoke some ...   Acoustat6

04-26-09   I don't really see the difference between what you are sayin ...   Roxy54

04-26-09   Gee, i've found some of the more "reasonably flat ampli ...   Unsound

04-26-09   I have a problem with the concept of 'frightening' music. yo ...   Newbee

04-26-09   Hi all, thanks for the kind reflections and feed back. not e ...   Axelwahl

04-26-09   I we are indeed talking about the same thing, i have indeed ...   Unsound

04-26-09   Newbee, i suspect that some people are more senstive to the ...   Unsound

04-26-09   I have never been frightened when listening to music on a st ...   Mrtennis

04-26-09   Unsound, i think you have a very good point. we, all of us, ...   Axelwahl

04-26-09   Seems to me that most of the "time and phase" deci ...   Unsound

04-26-09   Really? is it my lack of awareness then? since the two goa ...   Axelwahl

04-26-09: Unsound
Here's one example:
http://www.thielaudio.com/THIEL_Site05/Pages/Tech/d%26e.html

Unsound  (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)


04-26-09   Unsound, fwiw, the point of my statement about phase correct ...   Newbee

04-26-09   Unsound, that example of yours hangs up my box... somebody ...   Axelwahl

04-26-09   Frightening? i think you may need to get a thesaurus and wor ...   Entrope

04-26-09   Its not hard to try to squeeze too large a system or too muc ...   Mapman

04-26-09   Newbee, ok, i can buy into that.   Unsound

04-26-09   Axel, "hangs up my box"? if your suggesting that ...   Unsound

04-26-09   The hippocratic oath should apply to audio: "do no harm ...   Mrtennis

04-27-09   A new reality series about audiophiles and planars: "sc ...   Douglas_schroeder

04-27-09   Hi unsound, so easy to get mis-taken, eish. that link of yo ...   Axelwahl

04-27-09   Hi mrtennis, these peaks are not relaxing, but not frighte ...   Axelwahl

04-27-09   Axel, is english your first language? i'm having a hard time ...   Unsound

04-27-09   Only retail prices and buyers remorse are frightening....if ...   Jaybo

04-27-09   Hello unsound, "vc hardened" mean you're just don' ...   Axelwahl

04-27-09   Hi jabo, hey man you got a point! spend 100 - 200 grand (on ...   Axelwahl

04-27-09   Axe, yes, i most cetainly do still get "startled", ...   Unsound

04-27-09   I get frightened whenever i hear the sound of the dentist's ...   Gawdbless

04-27-09   Gawdbless, and i wish you a good dentist to take care of you ...   Axelwahl

04-27-09   Music has to do with emotion and many composers of classical ...   Detlof

04-27-09   Axe, i beg to differ with you re: what constitutes a 1st ord ...   Unsound

04-27-09   Axelwahl, i think you are starting to "get" what h ...   Cdc

04-28-09   Thank you cdc, somebody with some sense -- and no dentist fe ...   Axelwahl

04-28-09   Detlof, thank you! a very good contribution and showing some ...   Axelwahl

04-28-09   Unsound, i was being fastidious again i guess, dang. in fac ...   Axelwahl

04-28-09   So what speakers let the music flow through with the realnes ...   Foster_9

04-28-09   I can name two: high emotion audio, which has one of the fas ...   Atmasphere

04-28-09   "high emotion audio" the name would seem to imply ...   Mapman

04-28-09   Mapman, what about ohm speakers? do they deliver?   Foster_9

04-28-09   "mapman, what about ohm speakers? do they deliver?" ...   Mapman

04-28-09   The dunlavy's realism has often been described as "spoo ...   Unsound

04-28-09   Mapman, "latest and greatest"? have we even heard ...   Unsound

04-28-09   Nope, haven;t heard the "latest and greatest". la ...   Mapman

04-29-09   Hi, i think we are getting something here, now we are talkin ...   Axelwahl

04-29-09   I was going to post some thoughts but atmosphere beat me to ...   Dan_ed

04-29-09   Hi dan_ed let's see.. these are the details of the music t ...   Axelwahl

04-29-09   Axe, perhaps we a language problem here, both receptively an ...   Unsound

04-29-09   Spin a good recording of mahler's 3rd symphony as an emotion ...   Mapman

04-29-09   Why, anyone other than english speaking around? i have not ...   Axelwahl

04-29-09   Thanks mapman, i'll go do that and let you know tomorrow. le ...   Axelwahl


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