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I wished I could find a log with information on caps. I have found many saying tremendous improvement etc. but not a detailed account of what the changes have been. I have had the same speakers for many years so am very familiar with them. (25+ years) The speakers are a set of Klipsch Lascala's. They have Alnico magnets in the mids and ceramic woofers and tweeters. The front end is Linn LP12 and Linn pre amp and amp. The speaker wire is 12 gauge and new wire.

I LOVE these speakers around 1 year ago they started to sound like garbage. As many have said they are VERY sensitive to the components before them. They are also showing what I think is the effect of worn out caps.

There are many out here on these boards I know of that are using the Klipsch (heritage) with cheaper Japanese electronics because the speakers are cheap! (for what they can do) One thing I would recommend is give these speakers the best quality musical sources you can afford. There is a LOT to get out of these speakers. My other speakers are Linn speakers at around 4k new with Linn tri-wire (I think about 1k for that) and the Klipsch DESTROY them in my mind. If you like "live feel" there is nothing like them. In fact it shocks me how little speakers have improved in 30 years (or 60 years in the Khorns instance)

In fact I question Linn's theory (that they have proved many times) that the source is the most important in the Hi-Fi chain. Linn's theory is top notch source with lessor rest of gear including speakers trumps expensive speakers with lessor source. I think is right if all things are equal but Klipsch heritage are NOT equal! They make a sound and feel that most either LOVE or hate. (I am in the LOVE camp and other speakers are boring to me)

So here goes and I hope this helps guys looking at caps in the future. Keep in mind Klipsch (heritage Khorns Belle's and Lascala's especially) are likely to show the effects of crossover changes more then most.

1 The caps are 30 years old and
2 the speakers being horn driven make changes 10x times more apparent.

Someone once told me find speakers and components you like THEN start to tweak if needed. Don't tweak something you not in love with. Makes sense to me.

So sound
Record is Let it Be (Beatles)
The voices are hard almost sounds like a worn out stylus.
Treble is very hard. I Me Mine has hard sounding guitars. Symbals sound awful. Everything has a digital vs. analog comparison x50! Paul's voice not as bad as John's and George's. Voices will crack.

different lp
Trumpets sound awful. Tambourine terrible. Bass is not great seems shy (compared to normal) but the bad caps draw soooooo much attention to the broken up mid range and hard highs that are not bright if anything it seems the highs are not working up to snuff. I have went many times to speaker to make sure tweeters are even working.

All in all they sound like crap except these Klipsch have such fantastic dynamics that even when not right they are exciting!

Makes me wonder about the people who do not like them if they are hearing worn out caps and cheap electronics? Then I can see why they do not like them! If I did not know better from 25+ years of ownership that would make sense.

For the new crossover I have chosen Mundorf Silver in Oil from what I have read and can afford. I want a warm not overly detailed sound as Klipsch already has lots of detail and does not need to be "livened up" they need lush smooth sounding caps. Hope I have made the right choice?

When the crossover is in I will do a initial impression on same lp's. Right now it goes from really bad (on what may be worn vinyl) to not as bad but NOT great on great vinyl. (I know the quality of the vinyl because tested on other speakers Linn)

The new caps are Mundorf Silver in Oil and new copper foil inductors are coming. I will at the same time be rewiring the speakers to 12 guage from the lamp cord that PWK put in. PWK was a master at getting very good sound often with crap by today's standards components.

The choice of speakers would be a toss up now depending on what I am listening to. Klipsch vastly more dynamic but if the breaking up of the sound becomes to much to effect enjoyment the Linn would be a better choice on that Lp. If I could I would switch a button back and forth between speakers depending on song and how bad the break-up sound was bothering me.

Volleyguy  (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)

05-21-08
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06-26-08   Since buying the vintage amp i keep waiting for the honeymoo ...   Volleyguy

06-27-08   Caps are lucky to last 30 years. the dorfs are far better th ...   Johnk

06-28-08   Johnk thanks for the response. do you feel sonicaps to be be ...   Volleyguy

06-30-08   I know folks will disagree but my findings are that caps nee ...   Johnk

06-30-08   I could hear the sonicaps breakin even when they were in the ...   Volleyguy

06-30-08   Johnk i have to admit to never being so frustrated with spea ...   Volleyguy

07-01-08   I found the midrange to be the best thing about my klipschs. ...   Johnk

07-01-08   Johnk the klipsch are only my second system. you may be righ ...   Volleyguy

07-03-08   I want to offer a different perspective. i gather from your ...   Rchau

07-04-08   Rchau thanks for the help i will answer what i can. almost ...   Volleyguy

07-04-08   Imo, sonic caps sound like sonic crap for the first 50 hours ...   Face

07-04-08   Face i will be doing something and my gut says just get the ...   Volleyguy

07-04-08   Volleyguy i did some more poking. it looks like the cros ...   Rchau

07-04-08   Rchau i think most would say the original a network that pau ...   Volleyguy

07-04-08   Your measurements don't seem out of the ordinary. it would ...   Rchau

07-04-08   Rctau thanks for the help. i have talked to al on the phone. ...   Volleyguy

07-05-08   Rchau i did hear that the mundorf's (oils) were about 2 or 3 ...   Volleyguy

07-05-08   It probably is better to tweak a few caps at a time. it tak ...   Rchau

07-05-08   Rchau any idea why you do not see the film in oil caps aroun ...   Volleyguy

07-05-08   Volleyguy-the answer is probably demand. since modern mass ...   Rchau

07-05-08   What what i have seen from the old caps they are somewhat ho ...   Volleyguy

07-06-08   The concept of fast or slow in audio is a rather nebulous co ...   Rchau

07-06-08   Well were talking air core inductors do really sound better? ...   Volleyguy

07-07-08   Tomorrow i will be ordering caps for the tweeter. they will ...   Volleyguy

07-08-08   Good luck and be patient. i just hope the duelands and the ...   Rchau

07-08-08   I've just installed dueland capacitors in my speakers. 40uf ...   Halcro

07-08-08   Just got home from work and called for the parts. they are c ...   Volleyguy

07-09-08   Caps are on the way. i am going to put in the sonciaps to re ...   Volleyguy

07-09-08   Sonicaps back in on the tweeters on one speaker. you wouldn' ...   Volleyguy

07-09-08: Volleyguy
Just got first lesson on speaker tuning. The Klipsch as the caps started to go bad started to sound midrange range focused and noisy. I just replaced the tweeter caps with the Sonicaps with 10 hours on them. (in one speaker) I was expecting changes in the high freq. What I was NOT expecting was the midrange is much tuned down???? There is much better balance in the speaker by just changing the tweeter caps??? This I was not expecting. I was expecting the highs to be more or less or better or worse but I was not expecting the BIG difference in the midrange.

This is for sure not all lost. I already prefer even the cheap Sonicaps on the high freq. Replacing tweeter caps (at least bad ones) cuts the midrange down and give much more bass.

For people reading this in the future and are not sure if you want to pour money into your speakers. Start with the tweeter caps for sure the cheapest and it is surprising what they do to the "other" freq.

At first I thought what will I be able to tell from just tweeter caps? Maybe a lot!

In critical listening sometimes I like to listen to say just the bass guitar player. With the old caps you could NOT do that. You would just be frustrated. They sounded dynamic but a mess! Ok till you really listened.

I am more excited then I have been since the start of this. For sure I will be replacing at least the tweeter caps.

Very excited to hear these Duelund's. These are the copper foil ones that Tony Gee rated so good. I hope they live up to my expectations.

Volleyguy  (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)


07-10-08   Wait till you hear what replacing the tweeter with a fostex ...   Johnk

07-10-08   Johnk you may be right on the crazy caps. they for sure are ...   Volleyguy

07-10-08   Johnk is this your speaker company and do i understand you u ...   Volleyguy

07-11-08   Yes kcs is my company. many of our models use mundorf caps a ...   Johnk

07-11-08   The mundorf supreme and mundorf silver in oil and duelund ca ...   Volleyguy

07-11-08   I have one sonicap and the mundorf supreme in one speaker. i ...   Volleyguy

07-11-08   First hour impression of the (one) mundorf supreme is good. ...   Volleyguy

07-11-08   Enough of just hearing one mundorf i will be installing the ...   Volleyguy

07-11-08   First 10 minutes of silver in oil. they are brighter than su ...   Volleyguy

07-12-08   Trying the mundorfs on a poor recording. it used to sound ro ...   Volleyguy

07-12-08   Duelund's not yet in but i am not feeling a need to rush to ...   Volleyguy

07-12-08   Running the duelund and one mundorf silver in oil. for sure ...   Volleyguy

07-12-08   Duelund with the silver in oil seems to tilt even more upwar ...   Volleyguy

07-12-08   Vg, your comments have been quite enjoyable and educational ...   Tmhaudio

07-12-08   Lots of ssssss's right now. might just give some break in ti ...   Volleyguy

07-12-08   Thanks jim. i started this because when i was looking i wo ...   Volleyguy

07-12-08   Jim this is very educational for me as well. there is $250 o ...   Volleyguy

07-12-08   Put the supreme back in to go with the sio. (duelund out) fi ...   Volleyguy

07-12-08   Vg, i forgot to mention the mundorf silver-in-oil caps need ...   Tmhaudio

07-12-08   Thanks jim 300 hours. i keep hearing the long break in time ...   Volleyguy


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