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  Capacitor log Mundorf Silver in Oil
I wished I could find a log with information on caps. I have found many saying tremendous improvement etc. but not a detailed account of what the changes have been. I have had the same speakers for many years so am very familiar with them. (25+ years) The speakers are a set of Klipsch Lascala's. They have Alnico magnets in the mids and ceramic woofers and tweeters. The front end is Linn LP12 and Linn pre amp and amp. The speaker wire is 12 gauge and new wire.

I LOVE these speakers around 1 year ago they started to sound like garbage. As many have said they are VERY sensitive to the components before them. They are also showing what I think is the effect of worn out caps.

There are many out here on these boards I know of that are using the Klipsch (heritage) with cheaper Japanese electronics because the speakers are cheap! (for what they can do) One thing I would recommend is give these speakers the best quality musical sources you can afford. There is a LOT to get out of these speakers. My other speakers are Linn speakers at around 4k new with Linn tri-wire (I think about 1k for that) and the Klipsch DESTROY them in my mind. If you like "live feel" there is nothing like them. In fact it shocks me how little speakers have improved in 30 years (or 60 years in the Khorns instance)

In fact I question Linn's theory (that they have proved many times) that the source is the most important in the Hi-Fi chain. Linn's theory is top notch source with lessor rest of gear including speakers trumps expensive speakers with lessor source. I think is right if all things are equal but Klipsch heritage are NOT equal! They make a sound and feel that most either LOVE or hate. (I am in the LOVE camp and other speakers are boring to me)

So here goes and I hope this helps guys looking at caps in the future. Keep in mind Klipsch (heritage Khorns Belle's and Lascala's especially) are likely to show the effects of crossover changes more then most.

1 The caps are 30 years old and
2 the speakers being horn driven make changes 10x times more apparent.

Someone once told me find speakers and components you like THEN start to tweak if needed. Don't tweak something you not in love with. Makes sense to me.

So sound
Record is Let it Be (Beatles)
The voices are hard almost sounds like a worn out stylus.
Treble is very hard. I Me Mine has hard sounding guitars. Symbals sound awful. Everything has a digital vs. analog comparison x50! Paul's voice not as bad as John's and George's. Voices will crack.

different lp
Trumpets sound awful. Tambourine terrible. Bass is not great seems shy (compared to normal) but the bad caps draw soooooo much attention to the broken up mid range and hard highs that are not bright if anything it seems the highs are not working up to snuff. I have went many times to speaker to make sure tweeters are even working.

All in all they sound like crap except these Klipsch have such fantastic dynamics that even when not right they are exciting!

Makes me wonder about the people who do not like them if they are hearing worn out caps and cheap electronics? Then I can see why they do not like them! If I did not know better from 25+ years of ownership that would make sense.

For the new crossover I have chosen Mundorf Silver in Oil from what I have read and can afford. I want a warm not overly detailed sound as Klipsch already has lots of detail and does not need to be "livened up" they need lush smooth sounding caps. Hope I have made the right choice?

When the crossover is in I will do a initial impression on same lp's. Right now it goes from really bad (on what may be worn vinyl) to not as bad but NOT great on great vinyl. (I know the quality of the vinyl because tested on other speakers Linn)

The new caps are Mundorf Silver in Oil and new copper foil inductors are coming. I will at the same time be rewiring the speakers to 12 guage from the lamp cord that PWK put in. PWK was a master at getting very good sound often with crap by today's standards components.

The choice of speakers would be a toss up now depending on what I am listening to. Klipsch vastly more dynamic but if the breaking up of the sound becomes to much to effect enjoyment the Linn would be a better choice on that Lp. If I could I would switch a button back and forth between speakers depending on song and how bad the break-up sound was bothering me.

Volleyguy  (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)

05-21-08
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06-01-09   Ait now if i had a livingroom system that would be differen ...   Volleyguy

06-02-09   Looking forward to hearing what a large guage (10) low dcr i ...   Volleyguy

06-02-09   Quicksilver gold gets you a lot better performance than just ...   Hifisoundguy

06-02-09   Was that hifisoundguy or his girlfriend just posting? (o:   Sherod

06-02-09   Sherod that was funny! i was talking to a guy here who us ...   Volleyguy

06-03-09   Asc caps arrived today. holy crap they are big! i knew they ...   Volleyguy

06-03-09   Further impressions of duelund vsf vs. clarity mr. i recent ...   Face

06-04-09   Face the duelunds are better in speakers probably in most ca ...   Undertow

06-04-09   Face i agree with you expensive experiments indeed. (but th ...   Volleyguy

06-05-09   Asc power supply caps. they are made by jensen. i may have ...   Volleyguy

06-05-09   Ok, i placed an order for a pair of cast's. this wait is go ...   Face

06-05-09   Lucky you, face! i'm having to settle for the lesser vsf cop ...   Sherod

06-05-09   Face i just got an e-mail from parts connexion that beginnin ...   Volleyguy

06-06-09   I may provide new unused some vsf cu and few cast caps at r ...   Elviukai

06-06-09   Elviukai what value of caps? (voltage as well) just chang ...   Volleyguy

06-07-09   No i didnt change mind ,i will use them. one of my project ...   Elviukai

06-08-09   Anyone ever try audio note copper foil capacitors in electro ...   Volleyguy

06-08-09   For months i have been confused. as soon as a 50 year old tu ...   Volleyguy

06-09-09   Dave i have one mundorf supreme silver in oil and i underst ...   Volleyguy

06-09-09   I wouldn't use an oil cap in a tube power supply. too hot, t ...   Ait

06-09-09   Ait i think the voltage is 800vac. mundorf's are not really ...   Volleyguy

06-10-09: Ait
I believe Ralph from Atmasphere was warning against using PIO caps in tube amps in another thread on Audiogon - his quote was:

"Paper and Oil caps can develop electrical leakage over time that can damage other parts- this is something that most other dielectrics including Teflon don't tend to do!"

I have heard various stories about the Mundorf SIO caps - some say they are metallized paper film in oil, other say they are polypropylene in oil. If they are truly paper, then I would hesitate to use them in that application.

Ait  (Reviews | Threads | Answers | This Thread)


06-10-09   The mundorfs are not a voltage risk, however yes if they are ...   Undertow

06-10-09   Undertow your results seem to concur with tempo electric wh ...   Volleyguy

06-10-09   The north creek inductor is here. like all of you guys i a ...   Volleyguy

06-10-09   You can not really do a full film poly solen power supply.. ...   Undertow

06-10-09   ""even a cheap solen is higher grade than the best ...   Elviukai

06-10-09   Elviukai what i should have said with a solen bypass used ev ...   Undertow

06-10-09   Undertow what is that proceed with caution. you almost say ...   Volleyguy

06-10-09   In one of the amps i bought had mullard's in for el84. i had ...   Volleyguy

06-11-09   Volleyguy nope never had an issue, but i made sure i was wel ...   Undertow

06-11-09   Undertow i should say i am not playing with the power suppl ...   Volleyguy

06-11-09   Inductors must break in like caps? starting to sound much be ...   Volleyguy

06-12-09   Hysterisis i have read about it but what does it mean sound ...   Volleyguy

06-12-09   I am not familiar with your crossover layout, but is it poss ...   Ait

06-12-09   You probably threw your speaker's balance off and the mids a ...   Face

06-12-09   Volleyguy again i hate to say it for like the 10th time… but ...   Undertow

06-12-09   I just got back and was thinking just what you said ait. (cr ...   Volleyguy

06-12-09   Undertow i am not looking for a miracle cap. but what if ...   Volleyguy

06-12-09   Undertow i thought you owned khorns? you will be glad to k ...   Volleyguy

06-12-09   Now i find the article steen had wrote on inductors? i bel ...   Volleyguy

06-13-09   If you want to try some good nos oil caps in ps of amp, chea ...   Dgarretson

06-13-09   Dgarretson you might be right (sound wise) but i am unsure ...   Volleyguy

06-13-09   By the way, the motor run caps (of which i believe your asc ...   Ait

06-14-09   Ait i believe you are right as well. i believe the ones st ...   Volleyguy

06-14-09   Volleyguy, have you installed the duelund hook up wire t ...   Davidpritchard

06-14-09   David it is not here yet for some reason? i expect monday. ...   Volleyguy

06-14-09   Well george (north creek) was right. you will notice the ind ...   Volleyguy

06-14-09   I have been reading some audio note stuff and the only thing ...   Volleyguy

06-14-09   Any of you guys switch from push pull to set and what do you ...   Volleyguy


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