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I wished I could find a log with information on caps. I have found many saying tremendous improvement etc. but not a detailed account of what the changes have been. I have had the same speakers for many years so am very familiar with them. (25+ years) The speakers are a set of Klipsch Lascala's. They have Alnico magnets in the mids and ceramic woofers and tweeters. The front end is Linn LP12 and Linn pre amp and amp. The speaker wire is 12 gauge and new wire.

I LOVE these speakers around 1 year ago they started to sound like garbage. As many have said they are VERY sensitive to the components before them. They are also showing what I think is the effect of worn out caps.

There are many out here on these boards I know of that are using the Klipsch (heritage) with cheaper Japanese electronics because the speakers are cheap! (for what they can do) One thing I would recommend is give these speakers the best quality musical sources you can afford. There is a LOT to get out of these speakers. My other speakers are Linn speakers at around 4k new with Linn tri-wire (I think about 1k for that) and the Klipsch DESTROY them in my mind. If you like "live feel" there is nothing like them. In fact it shocks me how little speakers have improved in 30 years (or 60 years in the Khorns instance)

In fact I question Linn's theory (that they have proved many times) that the source is the most important in the Hi-Fi chain. Linn's theory is top notch source with lessor rest of gear including speakers trumps expensive speakers with lessor source. I think is right if all things are equal but Klipsch heritage are NOT equal! They make a sound and feel that most either LOVE or hate. (I am in the LOVE camp and other speakers are boring to me)

So here goes and I hope this helps guys looking at caps in the future. Keep in mind Klipsch (heritage Khorns Belle's and Lascala's especially) are likely to show the effects of crossover changes more then most.

1 The caps are 30 years old and
2 the speakers being horn driven make changes 10x times more apparent.

Someone once told me find speakers and components you like THEN start to tweak if needed. Don't tweak something you not in love with. Makes sense to me.

So sound
Record is Let it Be (Beatles)
The voices are hard almost sounds like a worn out stylus.
Treble is very hard. I Me Mine has hard sounding guitars. Symbals sound awful. Everything has a digital vs. analog comparison x50! Paul's voice not as bad as John's and George's. Voices will crack.

different lp
Trumpets sound awful. Tambourine terrible. Bass is not great seems shy (compared to normal) but the bad caps draw soooooo much attention to the broken up mid range and hard highs that are not bright if anything it seems the highs are not working up to snuff. I have went many times to speaker to make sure tweeters are even working.

All in all they sound like crap except these Klipsch have such fantastic dynamics that even when not right they are exciting!

Makes me wonder about the people who do not like them if they are hearing worn out caps and cheap electronics? Then I can see why they do not like them! If I did not know better from 25+ years of ownership that would make sense.

For the new crossover I have chosen Mundorf Silver in Oil from what I have read and can afford. I want a warm not overly detailed sound as Klipsch already has lots of detail and does not need to be "livened up" they need lush smooth sounding caps. Hope I have made the right choice?

When the crossover is in I will do a initial impression on same lp's. Right now it goes from really bad (on what may be worn vinyl) to not as bad but NOT great on great vinyl. (I know the quality of the vinyl because tested on other speakers Linn)

The new caps are Mundorf Silver in Oil and new copper foil inductors are coming. I will at the same time be rewiring the speakers to 12 guage from the lamp cord that PWK put in. PWK was a master at getting very good sound often with crap by today's standards components.

The choice of speakers would be a toss up now depending on what I am listening to. Klipsch vastly more dynamic but if the breaking up of the sound becomes to much to effect enjoyment the Linn would be a better choice on that Lp. If I could I would switch a button back and forth between speakers depending on song and how bad the break-up sound was bothering me.

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05-24-09: Duelund_coherent_audio
What's the gauge of your current inductor?
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05-24-09   Duelund i am not sure? very thin though maybe 18 to 22 guag ...   Volleyguy

05-26-09   Be careful with the placement of huge gauge air core inducto ...   Ait

05-26-09   Wow! ait my speaker design makes 90 deg easy as the crossov ...   Volleyguy

05-26-09   Ait i was talking to north creek today and they said to mak ...   Volleyguy

05-26-09   I am building outboard x-overs using the northcreek inductor ...   Ait

05-26-09   Ait sorry i was kind of joking with the iron core. meaning ...   Volleyguy

05-26-09   Sorry copper link. http://www.fwallstreet.com/blog/183.htm ...   Volleyguy

05-27-09   Sorry guys for the commodity post. the stock and commodity t ...   Volleyguy

05-27-09   Big blue arrived today: http://face.cleanandquiet.com/store/ ...   Face

05-27-09   Face i did just order a 10 guage north creek today. it chan ...   Volleyguy

05-27-09   To the point raised about emi generated by large inductors, ...   Dgarretson

05-27-09   Dgarretson is that another built in cost difference for duel ...   Volleyguy

05-27-09   Irish65 did you notice a difference in crosstalk from your c ...   Volleyguy

05-27-09   Volleyguy, please call north creek and change your ...   Davidpritchard

05-27-09   I don't have enough experience with inductors to know which ...   Dgarretson

05-27-09   Hi dave is there any negative to lower dcr? at the price o ...   Volleyguy

05-27-09   Volleyguy, talk to george @ north creek. numerous loudspeak ...   Irish65

05-27-09   Thanks irish i have talked to him knows his stuff. how do ...   Volleyguy

05-27-09   One thing about shielding - although it decreases the radiat ...   Ait

05-27-09   Ait so does that make the duelund wpio inductor better in t ...   Volleyguy

05-27-09   Volleyguy, regarding pricing: the price of our inductors ...   Duelund_coherent_audio

05-27-09   Thanks duelund sorry just one more question are all cast in ...   Volleyguy

05-27-09   Volleyguy, i could throw out numerous adjectives as to how ...   Irish65

05-27-09   Irish65 as you have mentioned you read a ton and then just ...   Volleyguy

05-28-09   Volleyguy, the wpio receive the same 5 day vacuum impregnat ...   Duelund_coherent_audio

05-28-09   Duelund i did get a chuckle on the adding "it is not ...   Volleyguy

05-28-09   Irish65 that is good to hear about duelund's consistent son ...   Volleyguy

05-28-09   Can anyone comment on the differences between dueland vsf al ...   Mingles

05-28-09   I haven't tried the aluminium vsf's, but from what i've hear ...   Face

05-29-09   Face, i would concur.   Duelund_coherent_audio

05-29-09   I was informed recently from a key person at reference 3a th ...   Sherod

05-29-09   I recently heard a demo of grand veena presented by the pres ...   Dgarretson

05-29-09   it does'nt matter how good the speaker crossover part your ...   Hifisoundguy

05-29-09   Qsg is a great contact enhancer, but it is of no use on sold ...   Sherod

05-29-09   sherod...i'm not talking about putting quicksilver gold con ...   Hifisoundguy

05-29-09   What? first not sure why contact enhancer would do anything ...   Undertow

05-29-09   Sherod either cap is great. i think the vsf are a good deal ...   Volleyguy

05-29-09   Volleyguy, the president of reference 3a has already told ...   Sherod

05-30-09   undertow, sorry about that but my girlfriend posted that la ...   Hifisoundguy

05-31-09   My one amp that is slow as ever getting back, my tech guy sa ...   Volleyguy

05-31-09   Tell him to use 4 separate new caps instead of the multi-sec ...   Ait

05-31-09   Ait is 4 separate caps a better way? when mundorf sells a ...   Volleyguy

05-31-09   Separate caps may be better if you use better quality caps. ...   Ait

06-01-09   Ait (everyone) can you give me an idea of what the differen ...   Volleyguy

06-01-09   Tempo electric says that asc is the best in the power supply ...   Volleyguy

06-01-09   If space allows, consider building an all film ps with mundo ...   Dgarretson

06-01-09   Thanks dave might be out of my budget and league. i just we ...   Volleyguy

06-01-09   Low esr = good high ripple current = good asc caps are film ...   Ait

06-01-09   Thanks ait that was the issue why the guy fixing it was tak ...   Volleyguy


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