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I wished I could find a log with information on caps. I have found many saying tremendous improvement etc. but not a detailed account of what the changes have been. I have had the same speakers for many years so am very familiar with them. (25+ years) The speakers are a set of Klipsch Lascala's. They have Alnico magnets in the mids and ceramic woofers and tweeters. The front end is Linn LP12 and Linn pre amp and amp. The speaker wire is 12 gauge and new wire.

I LOVE these speakers around 1 year ago they started to sound like garbage. As many have said they are VERY sensitive to the components before them. They are also showing what I think is the effect of worn out caps.

There are many out here on these boards I know of that are using the Klipsch (heritage) with cheaper Japanese electronics because the speakers are cheap! (for what they can do) One thing I would recommend is give these speakers the best quality musical sources you can afford. There is a LOT to get out of these speakers. My other speakers are Linn speakers at around 4k new with Linn tri-wire (I think about 1k for that) and the Klipsch DESTROY them in my mind. If you like "live feel" there is nothing like them. In fact it shocks me how little speakers have improved in 30 years (or 60 years in the Khorns instance)

In fact I question Linn's theory (that they have proved many times) that the source is the most important in the Hi-Fi chain. Linn's theory is top notch source with lessor rest of gear including speakers trumps expensive speakers with lessor source. I think is right if all things are equal but Klipsch heritage are NOT equal! They make a sound and feel that most either LOVE or hate. (I am in the LOVE camp and other speakers are boring to me)

So here goes and I hope this helps guys looking at caps in the future. Keep in mind Klipsch (heritage Khorns Belle's and Lascala's especially) are likely to show the effects of crossover changes more then most.

1 The caps are 30 years old and
2 the speakers being horn driven make changes 10x times more apparent.

Someone once told me find speakers and components you like THEN start to tweak if needed. Don't tweak something you not in love with. Makes sense to me.

So sound
Record is Let it Be (Beatles)
The voices are hard almost sounds like a worn out stylus.
Treble is very hard. I Me Mine has hard sounding guitars. Symbals sound awful. Everything has a digital vs. analog comparison x50! Paul's voice not as bad as John's and George's. Voices will crack.

different lp
Trumpets sound awful. Tambourine terrible. Bass is not great seems shy (compared to normal) but the bad caps draw soooooo much attention to the broken up mid range and hard highs that are not bright if anything it seems the highs are not working up to snuff. I have went many times to speaker to make sure tweeters are even working.

All in all they sound like crap except these Klipsch have such fantastic dynamics that even when not right they are exciting!

Makes me wonder about the people who do not like them if they are hearing worn out caps and cheap electronics? Then I can see why they do not like them! If I did not know better from 25+ years of ownership that would make sense.

For the new crossover I have chosen Mundorf Silver in Oil from what I have read and can afford. I want a warm not overly detailed sound as Klipsch already has lots of detail and does not need to be "livened up" they need lush smooth sounding caps. Hope I have made the right choice?

When the crossover is in I will do a initial impression on same lp's. Right now it goes from really bad (on what may be worn vinyl) to not as bad but NOT great on great vinyl. (I know the quality of the vinyl because tested on other speakers Linn)

The new caps are Mundorf Silver in Oil and new copper foil inductors are coming. I will at the same time be rewiring the speakers to 12 guage from the lamp cord that PWK put in. PWK was a master at getting very good sound often with crap by today's standards components.

The choice of speakers would be a toss up now depending on what I am listening to. Klipsch vastly more dynamic but if the breaking up of the sound becomes to much to effect enjoyment the Linn would be a better choice on that Lp. If I could I would switch a button back and forth between speakers depending on song and how bad the break-up sound was bothering me.

Volleyguy  (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)

05-21-08
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05-22-08   I found this site http://www.humblehomemadehifi.com/cap.htm ...   Wilelupine

05-22-08   On my klipsch i used dorf silver golds. still wasent so hot ...   Johnk

05-22-08   Johnk i can understand klipsch not for everyone. what kind o ...   Volleyguy

05-22-08   I tried many many amps pres etc while i owned the klipschs i ...   Johnk

05-22-08   Day 2. yesterday the speakers seemed so dynamic today secon ...   Volleyguy

05-22-08   The dorfs i use take awhile to break in. but the new crossov ...   Johnk

05-22-08   John i have not put the mundorf's in yet but you could be ri ...   Volleyguy

05-22-08   Why i am doing this is johnk is i wonder do we just hear fro ...   Volleyguy

05-22-08   Johnk on your klipshorns and lascala's were they pre 1980 mo ...   Volleyguy

05-22-08   I wouldnt spend so much on parts. if crossover needs rebuild ...   Johnk

05-22-08   On the klipsch forum it is like all things some say just get ...   Volleyguy

05-23-08   I had the best years for klipsch when paul was still arround ...   Johnk

05-23-08   Johnk sorry but what is alnico "comp"? do you have ...   Volleyguy

05-23-08   Alnico magnet compression driver. improved from pauls time i ...   Johnk

05-23-08   Addition to log. (likely the last with old crossover!) a ta ...   Volleyguy

05-25-08   Had to take the gear back to the other speakers. i just coul ...   Volleyguy

05-26-08   Caps coming and should be here later this week ot early next ...   Volleyguy

05-27-08   Linn speakers hooked back up. voices are oh so smooth. easy ...   Volleyguy

05-28-08   The caps that are going in are sonic caps. they are supposed ...   Volleyguy

05-30-08   Picked up some crossover wire. tested both speakers at 4.3oh ...   Volleyguy

05-30-08   Some people have told me you can not buy a speaker for less ...   Volleyguy

06-02-08   Fan boys will always say what they are into is the best. plu ...   Johnk

06-02-08   Johnk that is why i am just putting in realitively cheap cap ...   Volleyguy

06-02-08   Many alnico mag drivers about today plus now we have neodymi ...   Johnk

06-02-08   Johnk you think a modern lascala sounds like a $2200 speaker ...   Volleyguy

06-02-08   Sorry confused yours with k horn. i sold my 1967 lascalas fo ...   Johnk

06-05-08   Don't worry guys caps still coming i have not forget. i just ...   Volleyguy

06-05-08   I perfer wbt crimps;) but when solder is needed i mostly use ...   Johnk

06-05-08   I like cardas quad eutectic. it flows smoothly and gives a g ...   Sherod

06-06-08   Thanks guys i figured there was audiophile type of solder. f ...   Volleyguy

06-06-08   Yee haw! the caps are in. so i will be installing later toni ...   Volleyguy

06-08-08   I put the new caps in the left speaker. i wanted to see if i ...   Volleyguy

06-08-08   I am having having a hard time turning off the stereo. the d ...   Volleyguy

06-08-08   Next day around 5 hours on one set of new caps. if played in ...   Volleyguy

06-08-08   Have you heard duelund capacitor? you owe it to yourself to ...   Audioism

06-08-08   Most of the new polycaps require a hundred hours or so to fu ...   Sherod

06-08-08   Audioism i have heard that about dueland. i know there are w ...   Volleyguy

06-08-08   There are many top speaker companies who currently use mundo ...   Sherod

06-08-08   Here's another thread on the la scalas: http://db.audioa ...   Sherod

06-08-08   Thanks sherod i will check it out. i have never been so frus ...   Volleyguy

06-08-08   The fatiqueing sound from your la scalas might or might not ...   Sherod

06-08-08   This thread might give you some ideas. hey ! we're going to ...   Sherod

06-08-08   Here's some more info to add to your research: http://fo ...   Sherod

06-09-08   I have just talked to a friend with lascala's and he used so ...   Volleyguy

06-15-08   Guy came to buy the klipsch lascala's. i had him bring his o ...   Volleyguy

06-20-08   I have bought the tube fisher x100d. i have to say i wish i ...   Volleyguy

06-20-08   Us still makes great hi-fi. you just have to search it out, ...   Johnk

06-21-08   Sorry johnk what i meant to say was that the average person ...   Volleyguy

06-21-08: Volleyguy
Johnk any idea where I can get good paper in oil caps? I would like to stay that way as I found the plastic caps change the nature of the speakers.
Volleyguy  (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)


06-25-08   Looks like mundorf silver in oil network is back on. anyone ...   Volleyguy


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