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  Capacitor log Mundorf Silver in Oil
I wished I could find a log with information on caps. I have found many saying tremendous improvement etc. but not a detailed account of what the changes have been. I have had the same speakers for many years so am very familiar with them. (25+ years) The speakers are a set of Klipsch Lascala's. They have Alnico magnets in the mids and ceramic woofers and tweeters. The front end is Linn LP12 and Linn pre amp and amp. The speaker wire is 12 gauge and new wire.

I LOVE these speakers around 1 year ago they started to sound like garbage. As many have said they are VERY sensitive to the components before them. They are also showing what I think is the effect of worn out caps.

There are many out here on these boards I know of that are using the Klipsch (heritage) with cheaper Japanese electronics because the speakers are cheap! (for what they can do) One thing I would recommend is give these speakers the best quality musical sources you can afford. There is a LOT to get out of these speakers. My other speakers are Linn speakers at around 4k new with Linn tri-wire (I think about 1k for that) and the Klipsch DESTROY them in my mind. If you like "live feel" there is nothing like them. In fact it shocks me how little speakers have improved in 30 years (or 60 years in the Khorns instance)

In fact I question Linn's theory (that they have proved many times) that the source is the most important in the Hi-Fi chain. Linn's theory is top notch source with lessor rest of gear including speakers trumps expensive speakers with lessor source. I think is right if all things are equal but Klipsch heritage are NOT equal! They make a sound and feel that most either LOVE or hate. (I am in the LOVE camp and other speakers are boring to me)

So here goes and I hope this helps guys looking at caps in the future. Keep in mind Klipsch (heritage Khorns Belle's and Lascala's especially) are likely to show the effects of crossover changes more then most.

1 The caps are 30 years old and
2 the speakers being horn driven make changes 10x times more apparent.

Someone once told me find speakers and components you like THEN start to tweak if needed. Don't tweak something you not in love with. Makes sense to me.

So sound
Record is Let it Be (Beatles)
The voices are hard almost sounds like a worn out stylus.
Treble is very hard. I Me Mine has hard sounding guitars. Symbals sound awful. Everything has a digital vs. analog comparison x50! Paul's voice not as bad as John's and George's. Voices will crack.

different lp
Trumpets sound awful. Tambourine terrible. Bass is not great seems shy (compared to normal) but the bad caps draw soooooo much attention to the broken up mid range and hard highs that are not bright if anything it seems the highs are not working up to snuff. I have went many times to speaker to make sure tweeters are even working.

All in all they sound like crap except these Klipsch have such fantastic dynamics that even when not right they are exciting!

Makes me wonder about the people who do not like them if they are hearing worn out caps and cheap electronics? Then I can see why they do not like them! If I did not know better from 25+ years of ownership that would make sense.

For the new crossover I have chosen Mundorf Silver in Oil from what I have read and can afford. I want a warm not overly detailed sound as Klipsch already has lots of detail and does not need to be "livened up" they need lush smooth sounding caps. Hope I have made the right choice?

When the crossover is in I will do a initial impression on same lp's. Right now it goes from really bad (on what may be worn vinyl) to not as bad but NOT great on great vinyl. (I know the quality of the vinyl because tested on other speakers Linn)

The new caps are Mundorf Silver in Oil and new copper foil inductors are coming. I will at the same time be rewiring the speakers to 12 guage from the lamp cord that PWK put in. PWK was a master at getting very good sound often with crap by today's standards components.

The choice of speakers would be a toss up now depending on what I am listening to. Klipsch vastly more dynamic but if the breaking up of the sound becomes to much to effect enjoyment the Linn would be a better choice on that Lp. If I could I would switch a button back and forth between speakers depending on song and how bad the break-up sound was bothering me.

Volleyguy  (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)

05-21-08
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09-22-08   For guys waiting to hear about the cast caps they are still ...   Volleyguy

09-25-08   Http://www.duelundaudio.com/news.asp just to tide you over, ...   Stormen

09-25-08   Stormen those are huge! can not even imagine how much they c ...   Volleyguy

09-26-08   They normally take 5-6 weeks if they are a standard value. l ...   Halcro

09-30-08   Hooked back up the turntable into the vintage amp and it see ...   Volleyguy

10-06-08   After hooking back up the lp12 into the vintage system i rem ...   Volleyguy

10-15-08   Good news the capacitors have been shipped. right on the 6 w ...   Volleyguy

10-15-08   After this project is done i am thinking of doing a rebuild ...   Volleyguy

10-16-08   Volleyguy shipped to who? you or just from duelund to partsc ...   Undertow

10-16-08   Undertow no i think they left denmark on monday. they are n ...   Volleyguy

10-16-08   Yeah well i have had the run around for about 3 weeks now.. ...   Undertow

10-16-08   Hmmmm interesting undertow? you are waiting for resistors or ...   Volleyguy

10-17-08: Undertow
I did not order the cast caps.. Which I would figure are the longest... I ordered just over 2 months ago for the VSF's... So yeah its been a very difficult cap to get obviously, I was told by partsconnexion that if I wanted to order I would need to do it right then, which was like August 5th because they were putting in one big order for a bunch of customers at once to get it done faster and ship all in one.. Well obviously that made no difference, they probably waited a couple more weeks and such others that finally ordered like your casts etc... finally pushed them to put the order in I guess.
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10-17-08   That's interesting undertow and a bit concerning? sure makes ...   Volleyguy

10-17-08   Volleyguy i see.. well not sure on my math here, but you hav ...   Undertow

10-17-08   Well my intial order went through end of july which is now 2 ...   Volleyguy

10-17-08   Well hopefully they come thru at some point.. thats all we c ...   Undertow

10-17-08   I did just talk to partsc and they say the rest of the back ...   Volleyguy

10-17-08   Yes i was contacted about the resistors as well… even though ...   Undertow

10-17-08   Good point. the second most expensive?? is there one crazie ...   Volleyguy

10-17-08   Do you mean the silver cast? you know what i never really co ...   Volleyguy

10-17-08   I believe still the king of top expense is the audio note si ...   Undertow

10-19-08   Undertow they are both about the same price with the duelund ...   Volleyguy

10-20-08   http://cgim.audiogon.com/i/vs/i/f/1220501771.jpg volleyguy ...   Halcro

10-20-08   halcro what values are those?   Undertow

10-20-08   Halcro any experience with the cast??? i know the vsf is exc ...   Volleyguy

10-20-08   The large capacitor is 44uf whilst the smaller one is 5.6uf. ...   Halcro

10-21-08   I think to gain the benefits of the cast would need to be re ...   Undertow

10-21-08   Halcro you say at the time there was no independent advice o ...   Volleyguy

10-21-08   Point being i believe that the 2% more you may or may not he ...   Undertow

10-21-08   Oh and partsconnexion did ship my parts today finally, they ...   Undertow

10-21-08   I just talked to parts and my order is in as well. it seems ...   Volleyguy

10-21-08   I am sure the cast are good and so are the vsf, i think they ...   Undertow

10-21-08   That was a good point on the voltage. i of course do not nee ...   Volleyguy

10-21-08   Well again the cast can take the heat so to speak.. the vsf ...   Undertow

10-21-08   Undertow & volleyguy, i asked duelund for comments regardi ...   Stormen

10-21-08   Stormen not sure you mentioned your application or sizes of ...   Undertow

10-21-08   They did it seems just in the past couple months come up wit ...   Undertow

10-22-08   Stormen you are upsetting me. that quote of the cast being q ...   Volleyguy

10-22-08   My vsf caps instantly sounded pure, tranparent and very musi ...   Halcro

10-22-08   Halcro mine did as well but (i think) sound even better now, ...   Volleyguy

10-22-08   I know this is going to be hard to believe after all this ti ...   Volleyguy

10-22-08   Just the first few hours on the mid range vsf duelund with t ...   Volleyguy

10-23-08   Volleyguy... again as a warning, my suggestion you have to r ...   Undertow

10-23-08   Undertow these speakers are made with a outboard crossover. ...   Volleyguy

10-23-08   I do understand that, i realize it was a "maintenance&q ...   Undertow

10-23-08   These threads can be good to get a bunch of guys opinions so ...   Volleyguy

10-24-08   Listened to the linn speakers today before the klipsch. they ...   Volleyguy

10-24-08   Having the cast's in for 12+ hours so far. i am going to w ...   Volleyguy

10-24-08   Getting a baaaaad feeling i am going to wish i had of pushed ...   Volleyguy


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