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  Capacitor log Mundorf Silver in Oil
I wished I could find a log with information on caps. I have found many saying tremendous improvement etc. but not a detailed account of what the changes have been. I have had the same speakers for many years so am very familiar with them. (25+ years) The speakers are a set of Klipsch Lascala's. They have Alnico magnets in the mids and ceramic woofers and tweeters. The front end is Linn LP12 and Linn pre amp and amp. The speaker wire is 12 gauge and new wire.

I LOVE these speakers around 1 year ago they started to sound like garbage. As many have said they are VERY sensitive to the components before them. They are also showing what I think is the effect of worn out caps.

There are many out here on these boards I know of that are using the Klipsch (heritage) with cheaper Japanese electronics because the speakers are cheap! (for what they can do) One thing I would recommend is give these speakers the best quality musical sources you can afford. There is a LOT to get out of these speakers. My other speakers are Linn speakers at around 4k new with Linn tri-wire (I think about 1k for that) and the Klipsch DESTROY them in my mind. If you like "live feel" there is nothing like them. In fact it shocks me how little speakers have improved in 30 years (or 60 years in the Khorns instance)

In fact I question Linn's theory (that they have proved many times) that the source is the most important in the Hi-Fi chain. Linn's theory is top notch source with lessor rest of gear including speakers trumps expensive speakers with lessor source. I think is right if all things are equal but Klipsch heritage are NOT equal! They make a sound and feel that most either LOVE or hate. (I am in the LOVE camp and other speakers are boring to me)

So here goes and I hope this helps guys looking at caps in the future. Keep in mind Klipsch (heritage Khorns Belle's and Lascala's especially) are likely to show the effects of crossover changes more then most.

1 The caps are 30 years old and
2 the speakers being horn driven make changes 10x times more apparent.

Someone once told me find speakers and components you like THEN start to tweak if needed. Don't tweak something you not in love with. Makes sense to me.

So sound
Record is Let it Be (Beatles)
The voices are hard almost sounds like a worn out stylus.
Treble is very hard. I Me Mine has hard sounding guitars. Symbals sound awful. Everything has a digital vs. analog comparison x50! Paul's voice not as bad as John's and George's. Voices will crack.

different lp
Trumpets sound awful. Tambourine terrible. Bass is not great seems shy (compared to normal) but the bad caps draw soooooo much attention to the broken up mid range and hard highs that are not bright if anything it seems the highs are not working up to snuff. I have went many times to speaker to make sure tweeters are even working.

All in all they sound like crap except these Klipsch have such fantastic dynamics that even when not right they are exciting!

Makes me wonder about the people who do not like them if they are hearing worn out caps and cheap electronics? Then I can see why they do not like them! If I did not know better from 25+ years of ownership that would make sense.

For the new crossover I have chosen Mundorf Silver in Oil from what I have read and can afford. I want a warm not overly detailed sound as Klipsch already has lots of detail and does not need to be "livened up" they need lush smooth sounding caps. Hope I have made the right choice?

When the crossover is in I will do a initial impression on same lp's. Right now it goes from really bad (on what may be worn vinyl) to not as bad but NOT great on great vinyl. (I know the quality of the vinyl because tested on other speakers Linn)

The new caps are Mundorf Silver in Oil and new copper foil inductors are coming. I will at the same time be rewiring the speakers to 12 guage from the lamp cord that PWK put in. PWK was a master at getting very good sound often with crap by today's standards components.

The choice of speakers would be a toss up now depending on what I am listening to. Klipsch vastly more dynamic but if the breaking up of the sound becomes to much to effect enjoyment the Linn would be a better choice on that Lp. If I could I would switch a button back and forth between speakers depending on song and how bad the break-up sound was bothering me.

Volleyguy  (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)

05-21-08
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08-25-08   Final thoughts before ordering. i have got back and forth t ...   Volleyguy

08-25-08   Inductor help i am checking the klipsch inductors and they ...   Volleyguy

08-25-08: Volleyguy
I did check on the much cheaper Mundorf copper foil air core but they use poly to coat the wire?

Would this not cause the same problems as it does with caps? and maybe the vintage might be better???

Can't afford to find that out.

The vintage use on the tweeter circuit air core what looks to be waxed paper wrapped and is likely the same as the cheaper Duelund except the Duelund is 12 guage and no doubt the Klipsch is 16 or 18 guage wire???

I wish someone could tell me the difference? other then heavier guage wire? and would going from 18/16 to 12 make that much or any in the tweeter circuit?

I know Klipsch iron core woofer inductors are .29ohms (according to Bob Crites)

This put there resistance about as low as 12 guage air core. So a 12 guage air core waxed paper would be better because of being air core and but would a 12 gauge air core poly be better???? What would weigh in importance no poly or the iron core? or heavier guage wire?

Is Duelund really a vintage company with more modern tolerances? Not that this is bad thing?

Foil caps made better. (same but lower vibration)

Inductors same as old ones but being air core thicker wire
and in the case of CAST more solid.

What about their resistors?

All this means there was some serious $ in an original Klipsch crossover at today's prices.

Volleyguy  (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)


08-25-08   Volleyguy first off i would be shocked if your tweeter indu ...   Undertow

08-25-08   Thanks undertow.   Volleyguy

08-25-08   Thanks undertow i have had a chance to read your comments m ...   Volleyguy

08-26-08   "is a alpha core at 12 guage air core better than the v ...   Undertow

08-26-08   Excuse me undertow i meant to say of course the tweeter caps ...   Volleyguy

08-26-08   Sorry undertow i did not see your post before mine. underto ...   Volleyguy

08-26-08   I don't know of any wax paper anything quite honestly.. i do ...   Undertow

08-26-08   The vintage inductor has what looks like waxed paper wrapped ...   Volleyguy

08-27-08   Running the mundorf supreme's 24/7 now for awhile. at least ...   Volleyguy

08-27-08   I have put back in the vintage foil caps in the midrange. t ...   Volleyguy

08-28-08   The teflon caps are here. i am going to listen to some vint ...   Volleyguy

08-28-08   Retesting the vintage and mundorf's. the gap is closing with ...   Volleyguy

08-28-08   I put what i thought was the teflon at only .44 of 12.7uf to ...   Volleyguy

08-28-08   I have the russian teflon and the russian k40y-9 pio. i real ...   Volleyguy

08-29-08   I have become intrigued with the russian pio. i took back ou ...   Volleyguy

08-29-08   K40y9 pio sounds pretty good right out of the box and should ...   Dgarretson

08-29-08   Thanks dave what is the voltage of the pio? can they be use ...   Volleyguy

08-29-08   K40y9 that you have are .22uf/1000v; ft-3 is .1uf/600v; ft-1 ...   Dgarretson

08-30-08   Did some more testing and i do not mean to upset anyone here ...   Volleyguy

09-05-08   The cast caps are not here yet but will be interesting. joh ...   Volleyguy

09-05-08   Well why not just finish your duelund investment off right? ...   Undertow

09-05-08   I am looking at that very idea of speaker cable. i am using ...   Volleyguy

09-06-08   Last night i replaced the sonic cap gen i's in the high pass ...   Face

09-07-08   Face, your not imagining, i used the mr's in a more critical ...   Undertow

09-07-08   Hmmm that's interesting. face i am not surprised that the cl ...   Volleyguy

09-09-08   Anyone heard the buzz about audio note speakers? i had never ...   Volleyguy

09-09-08   Well i would suppose you heard of the audio note capacitors ...   Undertow

09-09-08   Undertow i did see that price after putting in the post. not ...   Volleyguy

09-10-08   I put back in the mundorf caps in the midrange. what is noti ...   Volleyguy

09-10-08   I've only tried the mr's, sonic cap gen i and ii, dayton, an ...   Face

09-11-08   Thats very interesting.. but i bet they are in the 11.5 rati ...   Undertow

09-11-08   Great work mike. i guess the clarity cap is very, very good ...   Volleyguy

09-11-08   I would with an educated assessment of what i have experienc ...   Undertow

09-11-08   By the way volley, the mr's are about 25% cheaper than the s ...   Undertow

09-11-08   Another eval of "a day in the life" beatles. i use ...   Volleyguy

09-11-08   Undertow i hope and pray you are wrong. (no offense) i hope ...   Volleyguy

09-11-08   Well my only cavet over the issue is being such a supreme ca ...   Undertow

09-11-08   Undertow we for sure do not feel the same of importantance o ...   Volleyguy

09-11-08   I think you mis understood the comment... point being the ca ...   Undertow

09-11-08   By the way i think you are very wrong in that i don't believ ...   Undertow

09-11-08   Well undertow you could be right and i think you are as that ...   Volleyguy

09-11-08   Undertow i can understand your non belief in the importance ...   Volleyguy

09-13-08   Last couple of days digital on ss and all mundorf. yuck! i n ...   Volleyguy

09-14-08   Tony gee updated his page again. http://www.humblehomemadeh ...   Face

09-14-08   I see that face. is the foil cap obligatto new as well??? i ...   Volleyguy

09-14-08   One thing i wish tony would do is go through his ratings and ...   Volleyguy

09-15-08   Tried to test the vintage amp on the linn speakers and this ...   Volleyguy


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