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Capacitor log Mundorf Silver in Oil

I wished I could find a log with information on caps. I have found many saying tremendous improvement etc. but not a detailed account of what the changes have been. I have had the same speakers for many years so am very familiar with them. (25+ years) The speakers are a set of Klipsch Lascala's. They have Alnico magnets in the mids and ceramic woofers and tweeters. The front end is Linn LP12 and Linn pre amp and amp. The speaker wire is 12 gauge and new wire. I LOVE these speakers around 1 year ago they started to sound like garbage. As many have said they are VERY sensitive to the components before them. They are also showing what I think is the effect of worn out caps. There are many out here on these boards I know of that are using the Klipsch (heritage) with cheaper Japanese electronics because the speakers are cheap! (for what they can do) One thing I would recommend is give these speakers the best quality musical sources you can afford. There is a LOT to get out of these speakers. My other speakers are Linn speakers at around 4k new with Linn tri-wire (I think about 1k for that) and the Klipsch DESTROY them in my mind. If you like "live feel" there is nothing like them. In fact it shocks me how little speakers have improved in 30 years (or 60 years in the Khorns instance) In fact I question Linn's theory (that they have proved many times) that the source is the most important in the Hi-Fi chain. Linn's theory is top notch source with lessor rest of gear including speakers trumps expensive speakers with lessor source. I think is right if all things are equal but Klipsch heritage are NOT equal! They make a sound and feel that most either LOVE or hate. (I am in the LOVE camp and other speakers are boring to me) So here goes and I hope this helps guys looking at caps in the future. Keep in mind Klipsch (heritage Khorns Belle's and Lascala's especially) are likely to show the effects of crossover changes more then most. 1 The caps are 30 years old and 2 the speakers being horn driven make changes 10x times more apparent. Someone once told me find speakers and components you like THEN start to tweak if needed. Don't tweak something you not in love with. Makes sense to me. So sound Record is Let it Be (Beatles) The voices are hard almost sounds like a worn out stylus. Treble is very hard. I Me Mine has hard sounding guitars. Symbals sound awful. Everything has a digital vs. analog comparison x50! Paul's voice not as bad as John's and George's. Voices will crack. different lp Trumpets sound awful. Tambourine terrible. Bass is not great seems shy (compared to normal) but the bad caps draw soooooo much attention to the broken up mid range and hard highs that are not bright if anything it seems the highs are not working up to snuff. I have went many times to speaker to make sure tweeters are even working. All in all they sound like crap except these Klipsch have such fantastic dynamics that even when not right they are exciting! Makes me wonder about the people who do not like them if they are hearing worn out caps and cheap electronics? Then I can see why they do not like them! If I did not know better from 25+ years of ownership that would make sense. For the new crossover I have chosen Mundorf Silver in Oil from what I have read and can afford. I want a warm not overly detailed sound as Klipsch already has lots of detail and does not need to be "livened up" they need lush smooth sounding caps. Hope I have made the right choice? When the crossover is in I will do a initial impression on same lp's. Right now it goes from really bad (on what may be worn vinyl) to not as bad but NOT great on great vinyl. (I know the quality of the vinyl because tested on other speakers Linn) The new caps are Mundorf Silver in Oil and new copper foil inductors are coming. I will at the same time be rewiring the speakers to 12 guage from the lamp cord that PWK put in. PWK was a master at getting very good sound often with crap by today's standards components. The choice of speakers would be a toss up now depending on what I am listening to. Klipsch vastly more dynamic but if the breaking up of the sound becomes to much to effect enjoyment the Linn would be a better choice on that Lp. If I could I would switch a button back and forth between speakers depending on song and how bad the break-up sound was bothering me. Volleyguy  (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread) 05-21-08

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Click title to read one, or click date to read all below it. 07-23-08   Well now we are getting silly, i agree cap physical size has ...   Undertow 07-23-08   Actually i know for a fact a sonicap does not sound as good ...   Undertow 07-23-08   To put the theory to rest, i just looked up and converted bo ...   Undertow 07-23-08: Rauliruegas Dear Volleyguy: With all my respect to you and for what you already posted ( caps's size, a higher price cap is better, parallel/series caps, no breacking time to the caps, caps combinations, inductors, taking the Tempo people like a reference, etc, etc )it is clear to me that you are a " Rockie " about caps inductors and speaker voicing. What is a surprise to me is that with all that non-know how about suddenly you are an expert and give advise about to other Agoner's in many ways ( example ): +++++ This is something for all to consider when replacing caps make sure you get as big (dynamic) cap as before .... " +++++ IMHO in all what you are posted the only coherent statement is: **** The Sonicaps to me are nuetral so the flaws only become apparent on direct comparison ******* You really don't know those " flaws " because for what you already posted you don't have any reference but other caps that maybe are the ones that has the " flaws ". Undertow posted: +++++ As for sonicaps, well my opinion they are a cheap cap, and yes are a bit flat ******* he say is a bit flat and you that it is neutral, well IMHO both characteristics are highly desirous in any cap reagrdless of price ( the price means nothing about the quality performance in a cap. ). From my experiences and the other people experiences the Mundorf are not a neutral-flat cap ( either the Duelund in lower level ) it adds colorations/distortions ( like the ones that you are hearing: dynamics, a false dynamics I have to say ). Why don't like you the neutral-flat Sonicaps? well because show you the whole quality limitations in your system that for what you report about is not of a very high quality performance ( between other things the Scala's are not up to the task. ). Why many people does not like a flat response in their audio systems? why they like the colored ( heavy colored/distorted ) system performance? because with a neutral-flat system only the good audio items designs can give them a pleasure and enjoying music, poor or mediocre designs ( everywhere in the audio chain ) show immediatly its " cooper " and IMHO that's what is happening to you. The Sonicaps IMHO are a lot better of what you are reporting and more " honest " than the Mundorf or Duelunds. This is what Atmasphere posted about caps of the same type like the MUN/DUEL that I agree about: +++++ Paper and oil is nice, but in nearly all of them there is a slightly shelved high frequency character (mind you- not a rolloff) that causes them to have an overly delicate character. Nice for a lot of things but annoying if you play the complete range of music on your system. " +++++ +++++ Certainly they are more detailed than paper and oils with considerably more neutrality. Paper and Oil caps can develop electrical leakage over time that can damage other parts- +++++ both statements comes from someone that really knows what is talking about. It is clear for me that your whole system ( through the Scalas ) are in trouble about quality performance and the Mundorf-Duelunds not only hide it but make heavier. Of course, like I posted in my first post, that you like a colored/distorted performance nothing wrong with that but please don't give advise that a colored/distorted cap is a better choice than a neutral one. IMHO any cap must be designed to add nothing and to be dead neutral as the materials permit it ( nothing is perfect ) and not to design caps with a precise signature performance ( colorations added ) like the Mundorfs-Duelunds that are frequency/performance manipulated on purpose. Regards and enjoy the music. Raul. Rauliruegas  (System | Reviews | Threads | Answers | This Thread) 07-24-08   Sorry guys late and off to bed. i will answer comments tomo ...   Volleyguy 07-24-08   Rauliruegas, that may be so, but neither the duelund vsfs ...   Stormen 07-24-08   Halcro yes, i use a duelund 10.37 uf for example. i also v ...   Stormen 07-24-08   Duelund coherent audio to me show details 2:16 pm (19 hou ...   Stormen 07-24-08   I e-mailed duelund about the connection to jensen and copy/p ...   Stormen 07-24-08   Dear raul i guess we have to agree to disagree. i said i do ...   Volleyguy 07-24-08   Dear stormen: yes i only refer to oil and in my experience t ...   Rauliruegas 07-24-08   Dear volleyguy: +++++ " all i did say is i agree with s ...   Rauliruegas 07-24-08   Dear stormen: 10.37uf?, well that's great customer service: ...   Rauliruegas 07-24-08   Undertow i am very confused by your comments. you cap size h ...   Volleyguy 07-24-08   Undertow again i do not understand your comments against siz ...   Volleyguy 07-24-08   Dear raul i am a rookie at this but like i said have owned ...   Volleyguy 07-24-08   As mentioned numerous times, you need to let the sonic caps ...   Face 07-24-08   Dear volleyguy: +++++ this proves steen's theory that all t ...   Rauliruegas 07-24-08   Stormen do you have any more writings by steen? also have ...   Volleyguy 07-25-08   Dear volleyguy: +++++ " read (on the net) it would be e ...   Rauliruegas 07-25-08   $500 for caps? fostex t90a $300 pair, t900a under $800. with ...   Johnk 07-25-08   Sorry raul i do not understand what you are saying???   Volleyguy 07-25-08   Johnk i can not say about the fostex tweeter as i have not h ...   Volleyguy 07-25-08   Talked to partsconnextion. 3-4 week for custom caps from due ...   Volleyguy 07-26-08   Supremes are alright the silver golds are much much better b ...   Johnk 07-26-08   Johnk the reason i like the supreme's over the sio is just t ...   Volleyguy 07-26-08   A friend of mine had the silver gold/oil installed in his ph ...   Volleyguy 07-27-08   Dear volleyguy: +++++ " sorry raul i do not understand ...   Rauliruegas 07-27-08   Just came back from listening to my "main" system. ...   Volleyguy 07-27-08   I did find more interesting reads on steen on the duelund we ...   Volleyguy 07-28-08   Volleyguy, i find the cast clearly superior. i know that so ...   Stormen 07-28-08   Thanks stormen i was afraid you would say that! i am looking ...   Volleyguy 07-28-08   Personally, i would contact klipsch. they have a website an ...   Stringreen 07-28-08   Hi stringreen i have contacted klipsch to buy replacement c ...   Volleyguy 07-28-08   Cap order is in for 13uf vsf duelund. i am like my kids in c ...   Volleyguy 07-29-08   Duelund makes custom orders like the 13uf i am getting and t ...   Volleyguy 07-29-08   I will do much more burn in on the mundorf's. they are aroun ...   Volleyguy 07-29-08   It would be relatively inexpensive to try alphacore air-core ...   Dgarretson 07-29-08   Dgarretson i have talked to chris about this as alpha core ...   Volleyguy 07-29-08   Volleyguy...for heaven's sake, get out your viola and old mu ...   Stringreen 07-29-08   Stringreen it has been a long time since i played. in the ai ...   Volleyguy 07-30-08   Volleyguy, i use copper foil througout my system, in various ...   Dgarretson 07-30-08   Dgarretson. i do take with a grain of salt what the manufac ...   Volleyguy 07-30-08   Dgarretson i have taken to heart what you said. i am going ...   Volleyguy 07-30-08   Volleyguy, the question becomes-- given other constraints in ...   Dgarretson 07-30-08   Dgarretson, i guess it comes down to how good do i think the ...   Volleyguy 07-30-08   Duelund in the context of other upgrades? dgarretson i have ...   Volleyguy 07-30-08   To the matter of proportion i can only say i have heard kari ...   Dgarretson 07-30-08   I can not argue much with you at all on the karik. like i sa ...   Volleyguy 07-30-08   Dgarretson, do you know anyone who has tried there ic's? i ...   Volleyguy

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