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  Capacitor log Mundorf Silver in Oil
I wished I could find a log with information on caps. I have found many saying tremendous improvement etc. but not a detailed account of what the changes have been. I have had the same speakers for many years so am very familiar with them. (25+ years) The speakers are a set of Klipsch Lascala's. They have Alnico magnets in the mids and ceramic woofers and tweeters. The front end is Linn LP12 and Linn pre amp and amp. The speaker wire is 12 gauge and new wire.

I LOVE these speakers around 1 year ago they started to sound like garbage. As many have said they are VERY sensitive to the components before them. They are also showing what I think is the effect of worn out caps.

There are many out here on these boards I know of that are using the Klipsch (heritage) with cheaper Japanese electronics because the speakers are cheap! (for what they can do) One thing I would recommend is give these speakers the best quality musical sources you can afford. There is a LOT to get out of these speakers. My other speakers are Linn speakers at around 4k new with Linn tri-wire (I think about 1k for that) and the Klipsch DESTROY them in my mind. If you like "live feel" there is nothing like them. In fact it shocks me how little speakers have improved in 30 years (or 60 years in the Khorns instance)

In fact I question Linn's theory (that they have proved many times) that the source is the most important in the Hi-Fi chain. Linn's theory is top notch source with lessor rest of gear including speakers trumps expensive speakers with lessor source. I think is right if all things are equal but Klipsch heritage are NOT equal! They make a sound and feel that most either LOVE or hate. (I am in the LOVE camp and other speakers are boring to me)

So here goes and I hope this helps guys looking at caps in the future. Keep in mind Klipsch (heritage Khorns Belle's and Lascala's especially) are likely to show the effects of crossover changes more then most.

1 The caps are 30 years old and
2 the speakers being horn driven make changes 10x times more apparent.

Someone once told me find speakers and components you like THEN start to tweak if needed. Don't tweak something you not in love with. Makes sense to me.

So sound
Record is Let it Be (Beatles)
The voices are hard almost sounds like a worn out stylus.
Treble is very hard. I Me Mine has hard sounding guitars. Symbals sound awful. Everything has a digital vs. analog comparison x50! Paul's voice not as bad as John's and George's. Voices will crack.

different lp
Trumpets sound awful. Tambourine terrible. Bass is not great seems shy (compared to normal) but the bad caps draw soooooo much attention to the broken up mid range and hard highs that are not bright if anything it seems the highs are not working up to snuff. I have went many times to speaker to make sure tweeters are even working.

All in all they sound like crap except these Klipsch have such fantastic dynamics that even when not right they are exciting!

Makes me wonder about the people who do not like them if they are hearing worn out caps and cheap electronics? Then I can see why they do not like them! If I did not know better from 25+ years of ownership that would make sense.

For the new crossover I have chosen Mundorf Silver in Oil from what I have read and can afford. I want a warm not overly detailed sound as Klipsch already has lots of detail and does not need to be "livened up" they need lush smooth sounding caps. Hope I have made the right choice?

When the crossover is in I will do a initial impression on same lp's. Right now it goes from really bad (on what may be worn vinyl) to not as bad but NOT great on great vinyl. (I know the quality of the vinyl because tested on other speakers Linn)

The new caps are Mundorf Silver in Oil and new copper foil inductors are coming. I will at the same time be rewiring the speakers to 12 guage from the lamp cord that PWK put in. PWK was a master at getting very good sound often with crap by today's standards components.

The choice of speakers would be a toss up now depending on what I am listening to. Klipsch vastly more dynamic but if the breaking up of the sound becomes to much to effect enjoyment the Linn would be a better choice on that Lp. If I could I would switch a button back and forth between speakers depending on song and how bad the break-up sound was bothering me.

Volleyguy  (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)

05-21-08
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07-13-08   I have to comment on your experiment. one can not form an ac ...   Merganser

07-13-08   Agree with merganser. it's pointless to post an opinion of a ...   Dgarretson

07-13-08   Sorry guys this log was meant to form an opinion against a s ...   Volleyguy

07-13-08   Dgarretson "ditto for mundorf silver/gold. ime the mai ...   Volleyguy

07-13-08   I have no experience with sonicaps. it might be interesting ...   Dgarretson

07-13-08: Volleyguy
Ok guys I have put the Duelund back in this time with the Supreme for a much longer burn in.

I have also upgraded the source. I was using a cheap NAD Cd player which is not wise now that things are getting serious. Now I put in the Linn Karik CD player. I would put my reference which is what I am voicing the speakers for which is the LP12. Mine is fairly loaded LP12 which is miles better than the Karik but the phono stage on the Fisher tube amp is too loud. The Linn pre and amp sounded just horrible on the worn out caps. So I was forced to use the tube amp to make things listenable.

I did listen to the same CD again with the Karik and the Mundorf's and the improvement was not that great. Made me me feel like there was not much difference from a cheap CD player and expensive one. Then I put the Duelund's in and Wow! Duelund's VERY source dependent. They are louder brighter and reveal upstream weakness.

My main comment on the vintage caps was a dynamic mess. The Duelund's are a dynamic dream. They make instruments sound soooooo real!

Volleyguy  (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)


07-13-08   The duelund's are changing fast!!!! i can not believe i call ...   Volleyguy

07-13-08   Unbelievable is the best way to describe duelund. these thin ...   Volleyguy

07-13-08   That should say (and the pace picks up)   Volleyguy

07-14-08   Have you run in the mundorfs? they take many hours to fully ...   Johnk

07-14-08   Johnk i have not completed a 200 hour on each just saying th ...   Volleyguy

07-14-08   Sorry for the spelling mistakes it is of course eleanor rigb ...   Volleyguy

07-14-08   Well again remember something the chain is only as strong as ...   Undertow

07-14-08   A day in the life (beatles) (one of their best in my opinion ...   Volleyguy

07-14-08   Undertow i always understood if you run caps in parellal tha ...   Volleyguy

07-14-08   Anyone know this? http://www.tempoelectric.com/caps.htm te ...   Volleyguy

07-14-08   I recommend and 2nd the earlier posts from the gentlemen who ...   Sherod

07-15-08   Put back the sio with the duelund's and i know guys wait til ...   Volleyguy

07-15-08   Ran another 6 hours on sio with the duelund. impression stil ...   Volleyguy

07-15-08   For the mids i am thinking of ordering in even numbers say i ...   Volleyguy

07-16-08   Volleyguy - if you don't know this already - on the web side ...   Kijanki

07-16-08   Kijanki i have read that review (very good as well) i read ...   Volleyguy

07-16-08   Sorry dont know of any paper oil caps. i owned a 500c had it ...   Johnk

07-16-08   Volleyguy - thanks for the link. i don't want to invest too ...   Kijanki

07-16-08   Volleyguy - i suspected average performance of solens but i ...   Kijanki

07-16-08   Kiljanka i can not say about the audiocaps. i have never hea ...   Volleyguy

07-16-08   Thanks volleyguy. i'm in the process of replacing cheap alu ...   Kijanki

07-16-08   Johnk is not most tube gear from a lot the same design? how ...   Volleyguy

07-17-08   Volleyguy, it's my personal experience that the sonicap's ar ...   Merganser

07-17-08   Merganser. i have only gave the sonicaps 30hrs yes. they la ...   Volleyguy

07-17-08   Merganser sorry to be so critical on sonicaps. i do agree th ...   Volleyguy

07-17-08   Volleyguy, the tempo rating on the sonicap's is for use in e ...   Merganser

07-17-08   Merganser the difference from sonicaps and duelund's is like ...   Volleyguy

07-17-08   Second duelund is in. i will put it in tonight. i am expect ...   Volleyguy

07-17-08   Just a few hours and still trying to get a handle on the cha ...   Volleyguy

07-18-08   Volleyguy, what's this jump to sonicap's and duelund? we wer ...   Merganser

07-18-08   My first post here, but found the topic very interesting so ...   Stormen

07-18-08   Stormen thanks for the post. some people have got mad with m ...   Volleyguy

07-18-08   Dear volleyguy: nice thread and a lot of fun you are having. ...   Rauliruegas

07-18-08   Volleyguy, i believe the no plastic may indeed be a key fe ...   Stormen

07-18-08   Rauliruegas yes i agree that we each have our own prioritie ...   Volleyguy

07-18-08   Stormen thanks for the link. i will be reading up on this. ...   Volleyguy

07-18-08   As previously stated, i think you're missing the boat in not ...   Dgarretson

07-18-08   Dear volleyguy: good. i could not agree totally with you but ...   Rauliruegas

07-18-08   Dgarretson the original post did say it was a log from star ...   Volleyguy

07-18-08   Rauliruegas i once thought i wanted to hear what was the ex ...   Volleyguy

07-19-08   Volleyguy, if you find the duelund caps worthwhile, i'm su ...   Stormen

07-19-08   Stormen is it the same level of improvement as with the caps ...   Volleyguy

07-19-08   Dear volleyguy: as i already posted speak about caps quality ...   Rauliruegas

07-19-08   Volleyguy, i believe so yes. why not try their resistors ...   Stormen


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