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  subwoofers and panels don't mix
i have yet to experience a subwoofer that mated well with a panel speaker--ribbon, stat and planar magnetic.

each time i have heard a combination of a cone driver with a panel it sounds like two speakers. the blend is not seamless.

can anything be done to make the transition from cone to panel sound like a one speaker system, rather than reveal 2 different driver types ?
Mrtennis  (Threads | Answers | This Thread)

05-14-06
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05-14-06   I have been using rel subwoofers and maggies in combination ...   Cmo

05-14-06   Mrtennis...i designed my custom sw systems so that each of t ...   Eldartford

05-15-06   Gentlemen, do you let the maggies run full range or do you c ...   Mrtennis

05-15-06   The panels run full range. rel subs are designed to use a si ...   Cmo

05-15-06   Martin logans and revels are a fine match thank you.   Snofun3

05-15-06   Mrtennis...one characteristic of my system which suggests th ...   Eldartford

05-15-06   Eldartford describes: "sw drivers mounted in the wall b ...   Gregm

05-15-06   Sit in front of and between ml summits. play music. listen. ...   Bignerd100

05-15-06   My experience echos that of cmo's. low pass set very low, 40 ...   Stilljd

05-15-06   Mrtennis - i have a pair of revel b12 subs (non-ported)with ...   Jwpstayman

05-16-06   Gregm...my three sw systems are "sealed enclosure" ...   Eldartford

05-17-06   Ok, thanks. i thought the drive units were embedded in the w ...   Gregm

06-30-06   I tried running running two velodyne dd 10's subs with built ...   Dlanselm

07-04-06   I have heard nola thunderbolts sounding very good with maggi ...   Rackon

07-04-06   Hmmmmm, i have been thinking about adding a sub to my electr ...   Unclejeff

07-04-06: Ojgalli
There's a basic rule of thumb that usually works very well: Cross over the sub one octave above the -3 db of the main's low end, e.g., if you're mains are -3 db at 40 Hz, set the cross over at 80 Hz. This counters the conventional wisdom of crossing over as low as possible. I had the same problems when I persisted in crossing over low. You will need an SPL meter, test CD, and some time to get both the sub's level and phase set properly for the flattest response in your room. I was even able to tame my room's 60 hz mode. I don't buy that subs can't be integrated well with stats or panels. It takes some time and experimentation. Don't assume just because an audio store or someone you know has plowed megabucks in their system that they know how to get a sub integrated properly.
Ojgalli  (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)


07-05-06   Eldartford is correct in saying you need large diameter shor ...   Jtgofish

07-05-06   A couple more possibilities: 1) consider stereo subs. imo, ...   Richards

07-05-06   Martin logan depth sub and 3.6 maggies sound fantastic in my ...   Pummill

07-05-06   I find it very hard to belive the dd series did not work wel ...   Flemke

07-06-06   I think that most people buy subwoofers largely by the numbe ...   Audiokinesis

07-06-06   Audiokinesis, good to hear about your plans.you are right ab ...   Jtgofish

07-06-06   "crossed over at 35hz" !! imho, a subwoofer that ...   Eldartford

07-07-06   I have ribbons/hybrid the superslim 1800se speakers from www ...   Antoniomachado

07-10-06   Thanks a lot, ojgalli. i just spent ninety minutes dialing ...   Yada

10-06-07   Hmmm... i know this thread is a bit old, just for others re ...   Lightminer

10-06-07   Hi lightminer: thanks for your comments re the hsu. i have ...   Mrtennis

10-06-07   "i have been advised to use only a rel with a panel spe ...   Smeyers

10-06-07   I have been using mgllla's with a vanersteen sub for a long ...   Redrambill

10-06-07   I used to think that the problem in trying to blend a subwoo ...   Audiokinesis

10-06-07   Wilson benesch torus will do the trick. lightning fast. - ...   Aldavis

10-07-07   Hi duke: as a dealer of soundlabs, wouldn't you think the p ...   Mrtennis

10-07-07   Mrtennis, as a soundlab dealer, for many years i believed t ...   Audiokinesis

10-07-07   Although it's not really a subwoofer/ribbon combi, i feel th ...   Satch

10-07-07   I became really frustrated with trying to integrate subs wit ...   Rf_gumby

10-07-07   Just a thought - having never experimented - but could the i ...   Shadorne

10-07-07   I owned the centaur minor. as soon as i heard the first note ...   Mrtennis

10-07-07   Shadorne has a great point. another thing i found during t ...   Rf_gumby

10-07-07   Harry pearson and rf gumby got very, very different results ...   Audiokinesis

10-08-07   Mr t....this may be what you are looking for emperor (chec ...   Shadorne

10-08-07   Hi duke: i called magnepan today. the woofer that i heard a ...   Mrtennis

10-08-07   Thanks for the information, mrtennis. i appreciate your tak ...   Audiokinesis

10-09-07   Hi duke: hearing is believing. if someone can demonstrate a ...   Mrtennis

10-09-07   Mrtennis, i will not be exhibiting in las vegas in january ...   Audiokinesis

10-12-07   mr tennis - from your post 2 above - can you give me a spec ...   Lightminer

10-12-07   The issue is not localization of bass but rather the timbre. ...   Mrtennis

10-12-07   Lightminer, i would suggest that shefield drum track will h ...   Shadorne

04-21-09   Maybe its because my panels go so low by themselves, but i c ...   Lightminer

04-21-09   Ah, the term is "group delay". i am trying to fin ...   Lightminer

04-21-09   I may sound like a broken record here: room analysis, peq, f ...   Martykl

04-21-09   Lightminer, are you using your system for ht as well as mus ...   Martykl

04-21-09   Firstly, i like marty i don't understand the preoccupation w ...   Shadorne

04-21-09   Shadorne, i understand your point entirely. now mine: i re ...   Martykl

04-21-09   you have a good point. room modes and slow rt60 decay times ...   Shadorne

04-21-09   Two more group delay observations: first is inconsistency i ...   Martykl

04-21-09   Marty, indeed, it is fair to say that the importance of low ...   Shadorne

04-21-09   Agreed. i'm just finding it difficult to reconcile the publ ...   Martykl

07-03-09   Martykl and others - first sorry for not responding in a bet ...   Lightminer

07-03-09   Lightminer, for your goals, i suspect that a pair of svs ul ...   Martykl

07-28-09   I know this isn't music, but the movie 'push' has some of th ...   Lightminer

08-03-09   Stereo subs are the best and crossing them over where the ma ...   Dave_b

10-05-09   Has anyone experimented with horn subs? i have recently acqu ...   Peteferg

10-05-09   a horn subwoofer would need a huge chamber. if it were fold ...   Shadorne

10-06-09   What about the wilson benesch torus "infrasonic generat ...   Emailists

10-06-09   You would need a massive blh sub. or 2 stay clear of klipsch ...   Johnk

10-06-09   Somewhat further ot here: nht's lifestyle "woofer" ...   Martykl

10-06-09   i agree with johnk - stay away from bass bins - far away. ...   Shadorne

11-21-11   Hey guys, i ran across some interesting developments here an ...   Lightminer

11-23-11   svs also offers this feature in their top line box sub, the ...   Johnnyb53

11-23-11   I'd believe that - a pair of f212's seems to be the current ...   Lightminer

11-23-11   The problem with matching subs to panels is poor transient r ...   Johnk

11-23-11   according to the review of twin jl gotham g213s in issue 26 ...   Johnnyb53


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