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05-14-06: Hifimaniac
Save your money; buy the Zu Audio Definitions instead; better bass, huge sound stage, dynamic and more musical sounding. Don't fall for all the advertising hype of the Wilson like I did. Listen with your ears, not your eyes.
http://www.zucable.com/loudspeakers/
Hifimaniac (System | Reviews | Threads | Answers | This Thread)
05-14-06
Keeping on thread, the 8 will have the new titanium high ran ... Khrys
05-15-06
Hifimaniac and khrys,thanks a lot for your replies. they are ... Bluesky
05-15-06
$28,000 correct? Chadnliz
05-15-06
Hifimaniac - i read your "david vs. goliath" rev ... Goatwuss
05-15-06: Hifimaniac
Goatwuss, if you read the review I stated what you are stating! I had the MAXX in my old room 17 X 28 (in CA) and they sounded great, but the Caravelle still is a more musical sounding speaker with a better tweeter than the MAXX 1. The MAXX 2 tweeter is better, but there was no comparison on the high end; the Caravelle sounded better and the vocals more natural. The Wilson speaker is too lean sounding for my taste now after hearing a better midrange. The Caravelle is a superb speaker; however, I like big band and full, dynamic classical and it failed me on certain pieces I like even with a sub. In a smaller room, it would have been fine. I found the perfect speaker in size and dynamics for my room and it is the Zu Definitions. I have owned the MAXX for five years and the Watt/Puppy 5.1's before. For the money, the Zu's can't be beat...Anyone thinking of the Watt/Puppy 8 should demo a pair of Definitions for 60 days with no risk return policy. It is worth the shipping costs if you're going to save $21k. By the way, if you read the Stereophile review of the MAXX they talk about how good they sound in a small room about the size of mine; don't believe them. Finally, comparing Wilson's to a Ferrari is a slap to Dave Wilson who builds a very high tolerance product that will last a life time unlike Ferraris that have to be dealt with on a regular basis.
Hifimaniac (System | Reviews | Threads | Answers | This Thread)
05-15-06
Hi hifi - sorry, i must have missed that line. it looked ... Goatwuss
05-15-06
You say - "by the way, if you read the stereophile revi ... Goatwuss
05-17-06
The description of design price changes are accurate...as i ... Hikejohn
05-17-06: Hifimaniac
Hikejohn; The Zu Definitions are easily as dynamic and more musical than my MAXX were even in my large CA room. I have never had a speaker present so much information so effortlessly. The Definitions have no cross over and if you buy the Pro version and connect the woofers to an outboard amp they can reproduce 16Hz. They are super efficient at 101db/watt; incredibly easy to drive; have a 12 inch square foot print and best of all they only cost $9k. Very few people who have demonstrated them and allowed them to properly break in 400 hours have returned them. Do yourself a favor and demo a pair. Check out the link below and go to the second page and see the picture of Archie, who lives close by in Scottsdale, AZ who traded in his Alexandria's for the Definitions. I was a happy Wilson owner; had MAXX's for five years and Watt/PUppy 5.1's for three and I enjoy the Zu's best of all. It's your $28k; but why rush when there are other very viable options for less money.
http://www.6moons.com/industryfeatures/zutour/zutour.html
Hifimaniac (System | Reviews | Threads | Answers | This Thread)
05-18-06
From what i can tell from zu's web site and from my experien ... Hikejohn
05-18-06
You obviously had maxx l's and not the maxx ll's as the latt ... Oneobgyn
05-18-06
Has anyone heard whether owners of the watt puppy 7's will b ... Karmapolice
05-18-06
This thread is supposed to be about wilson. hifimaniac is pr ... Macrojack
05-18-06
Not upgradeable as best i know Oneobgyn
05-18-06: Hifimaniac
Steve, I have heard the MAXX II's at CES and agree the tweeter is better than MAXX 1's and they are more coherant the the first model, but compared to the Zu's they are not 30K better! Have you heard the Definitions set up properly? I think you'd be amazed. No cross overs to force the notes into, just an amazing, coherant wall of sound with incredible dynamics, musicality and an equal array of color choices to compete with Wilson's.
Hifimaniac (System | Reviews | Threads | Answers | This Thread)
05-21-06
Hifimaniac this is a post from a thread over on avsforum ab ... Oneobgyn
05-22-06: Hifimaniac
Already read it and it is one man's opinion. You know from experience that a show setting never shows off a speaker's true worth because of the lousy rooms and set ups. Remember the Wilson Watt/Puppy 7's at CES in 2005. They sounded like $500 speakers. You know that the room there was bad. Talk to people who have bought them. Zu hasn't received many back. Now, in your room they wouldn't work; your room is too big. But a guy here in AZ dumped his Alexandria's in favor of the Zu's so they can't be all that bad.
Hifimaniac (System | Reviews | Threads | Answers | This Thread)
05-22-06
but so also could be said of yours! one man dumping his x- ... Oneobgyn
05-22-06
mike, i heard from a dealer that they won't be doing upgr ... Jkalman
05-23-06
Oneobgyn, i can't tell from your posts here if you have act ... Fiddler
05-23-06
No i haven't heard them although i have a great interest in ... Oneobgyn
05-23-06
it was a pretty bold statememnt made by hifimaniac that some ... Audiofeil
05-23-06
I've heard the alexandrias in a dealer's room with $60k wort ... Miklorsmith
05-23-06
i can relate. the $1000/hr. las vegas hooker couldn't make ... Boa2
05-23-06: Hifimaniac
I agree; there is no way the Zu Definition are in the same league as the Wilson Alexandria. I was merely pointing out that an owner of the Alexandria felt they were. I am not attempting to slam Dave or any of his products; I was a very happy owner of them for years. The Wilson product is excellent. You will never meet a man with more character and class than Dave Wilson. My point is there is other contenders that compete very easily, (the Definitions being one) at a fraction of the cost. In a very big room with good electronics, I'd buy the Alexandria's if cost weren't an issue. The better comparison for the Definitions is the Watt/Puppy 7. I haven't heard the 8's so I can't comment, but I think the masses would be very surprised at how good this speaker sounds for only $9K or $10k plus another amp for the Pro version. I just want everyone to be aware of a product that could save them lots of money, but not enjoyment. Also, with a no-risk 60-day return policy, why not rule them out before you spend an additional $20k for the Watt/Puppy 8's. In the end, I don't care what others decide to buy. I am a very satisfied customer of the Zu's and a former satisfied Wilson owner. I am glad I could pocket some change but still have killer sound.
Hifimaniac (System | Reviews | Threads | Answers | This Thread)
05-23-06
how about your speakers against mine in my system. i would ... Oneobgyn
05-23-06
Sorry i meant the magico mini by alon wolf...now that is a s ... Oneobgyn
05-23-06
You know, there is always someone who dumps their [whatever] ... Drubin
05-23-06
Oneobgyn writes: well said. sometimes a laugh; other times a ... Metralla
05-23-06
To be fair, my system has been built with my ears and priori ... Miklorsmith
05-23-06
The zu definition speakers compete favorably with the best a ... Macrojack
05-23-06
It always makes me laugh when comments such as that of miklo ... Oneobgyn
05-23-06
Hey guys seeing how the topic of this thread is "about ... 883dave
06-03-06
Finally heard the zus. they sound like slightly constricted ... Khrys
06-06-06
So, did anyone actually hear the wp8 in la last weekend? i' ... Terrym4
06-06-06
Terrym4, yes, i heard the watt puppy 8 this past weekend in ... 213cobra
06-06-06
The wilson audio room featuring wp8 and arc electronics was ... Tvad
06-06-06
I heard them. sounded great and better than my recollection ... Keithr
06-08-06
Tvad, i have the wilson wp7. do you think the arc electronic ... Hic
06-08-06
no idea. i'm not a wilson nor arc aficionado. however, i kno ... Tvad
06-08-06
Hic, yes, i've heard current ar electronics with wilson sp ... Samuel
06-08-06
the high-end is a small community. there are many good, eve ... Samuel
06-08-06
the high-end is a small community. there are many good, eve ... Samuel
06-09-06
Wilson speakers will show whatever you put behind them. tha ... Dgad
06-12-06
Help! i have a pair of wilson7 speakers.what electronics sho ... Hic
06-13-06
"wilson's will show whatever you put behind them" ... Bartokfan
06-13-06
Bartokfan, i don't know which wilsons you listened to but i ... Dgad
06-13-06
Hic, there are no definites. if you are buying new i woul ... Dgad
06-13-06
Bartokfan once listened to wilson speakers at a dealership 5 ... Drubin
06-13-06
Bartokfan - you are a riot! i like to think that i'm not co ... Goatwuss
06-13-06
Bartokfan: you were probably talking about 5.1 or 6s back t ... Keithr
06-13-06
I own the 6s and have never had a problem w/ a hot top end o ... Rhyno
06-13-06
Gee all this time i felt i had to hear the theil's in south ... Bartokfan
06-13-06
No one thought about the fact that the guy in arizona who re ... Awiavac
06-13-06
keithr, spot on comments. i would _never_ have purchased ... Samuel
06-14-06
Hey, bartokfan - no need to track down the new wilson line f ... Froggerz40
06-14-06
Froggerz how you can read folks disingenuious comment. shame ... Bartokfan
06-14-06
Samuel...grant thank you for your post, well put. getting ... 883dave
06-14-06
As a former customer of wilson audio and owner of watt/puppy ... Davis
06-14-06
Two thoughts....as for electronics for wilson (presently hav ... Hikejohn
06-14-06
Hikejohn not sure where you live however if you are ever in ... Oneobgyn
06-15-06
John- i spoke with ayre about wilson compatibility, and it i ... Keithr
06-15-06
keith, i do intend to prove you wrong about the ref 3 when ... Oneobgyn
06-16-06
When i decided to get the wilson's...after spending about 10 ... Hikejohn
06-16-06
I had been waiting to get wp7s, and now have the opportunity ... Terrym4
06-16-06
it would be a pleasure Oneobgyn
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