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  Front- vs. Down-Firing Subs and Amp Issue
A couple of assertions in the audio world have me perplexed as to how to select a subwoofer for my two-channel system.

Richard Hardesty makes the blanket statement in his Audio Perfectionist Journal that down-firing subs should never be used for high-end two-channel audio. Only front-firing subs are suitable for this application. I see, however, that some of the most-recommended subs on a'gon (Hsu TN series, ACI and REL come to mind) are down-firing (or up-firing in the case of Hsu.) Maybe the answer is that audiophile subs can't be purchased at the price point most mortals can afford, and the lower-priced subs just happen to be down-firing? Oh, Hardesty also says ported subs are not suitable for high-end audio; must go with a sealed box. Interesting.

The second assertion comes from Mike Barnes at nOrh, who says on his website that the plate amps used in 90% of subs today is crap and puts out only a fraction of power that is claimed. The sound that was rattling his windows and creating "earth-shaking bass" was not bass at all- it was distortion. He also states that he began tests in subwoofer development using the popular Peerless 12" woofer, which was literally shredded by a (non-plate) 150-watt amp.

So now I'm confused. Is it possible to buy a high-quality sub for relatively little money? I can't bring myself to spend $3-5k on a pair of speakers only to turn around and spend nearly that much on a sub. Oh, and then I hear that if I want the best possible configuration I need two subs at twice the price, making my subs more expensive than my speakers. Is this just a fact of life that I'll have to come to grips with if I don't want to buy speakers that go down to 20hz?

Thoughts?
Aggielaw  (System | Reviews | Threads | Answers | This Thread)

07-04-05
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07-05-05   "richard hardesty makes the blanket statement in his au ...   Sogood51

07-05-05   Thanks for the insight, dave. a link to my system is: http: ...   Aggielaw

07-05-05   If we limit the discussion to true subwoofers as opposed to ...   Onhwy61

07-05-05   Onhwy61, besides rel, who else makes sub-bass systems, do yo ...   Matchstikman

07-05-05   To get deep bass - you have to have a listening room big eno ...   Mikesinger

07-05-05   the statement that no down firing sub can sound good is jus ...   Chadnliz

07-05-05   Aren't those partsexpress.com, daytona, titanic diy subs sea ...   Matchstikman

07-05-05   Matchstikman, audio physics also makes sub-bass systems.   Onhwy61

07-05-05   Muse model 18. one of the best ever made.   Steuspeed

07-05-05   Dear howard: first than all: congratulations for your north ...   Rauliruegas

07-05-05   hey match, a person with over-flow subs gives them to me l ...   Chadnliz

07-05-05   I have a velodyne ct100 in my system...i think that i could ...   Ellery911

07-05-05   Raul said, " the task that have a subwoofer is the mos ...   Sogood51

07-05-05   All of the above comments have merit. it will depend on you ...   Tgrisham

07-05-05   I use a polk vented dual side firing 12 inch for movies- gre ...   Sstark

07-05-05   Dear dave: +++++ " not really, unless were talking pric ...   Rauliruegas

07-05-05   Dear tgrisham: +++++ " a subwoofer should be front firi ...   Rauliruegas

07-05-05   Rauliruegas, i understand the concepts. i too believe that ...   Tgrisham

07-05-05   Dear tgrisham: i agree with you.. regards and enjoy the mus ...   Rauliruegas

07-06-05   Hmmm. while not a sub my dunlavy athenas have a downward fir ...   Piezo

07-06-05   Chadnliz, my "overflow" subs aren't worth much. a ...   Matchstikman

07-06-05   You are right piezo. i agree about two subs instead only one ...   Rauliruegas

07-06-05   So what? front or down firing? or as with everything else i ...   Matchstikman

07-06-05   Dear matchstikman: i think that the sealed vs vented design ...   Rauliruegas

07-06-05   I don't understand what people have against vented subwoofer ...   Onhwy61

07-06-05: Matchstikman
Ok, help out a guy that doesn't know; what is the argument against vented subwoofer designs?
Matchstikman  (Threads | Answers | This Thread)


07-06-05   Well, my subs use 15"/12" active along with a 15&q ...   Sogood51

07-06-05   If sealed has the upper hand, why aren't more subs sealed?   Matchstikman

07-06-05   Probably because most only think of subs as movie rumble box ...   Gmood1

07-06-05   "if sealed has the upper hand, why aren't more subs sea ...   Sogood51

07-06-05   If you run a vented sub,the designer knows that you can get ...   sirspeedy70680@

07-06-05   If i understand sean's arguments correctly it's that sealed ...   Onhwy61

07-06-05   The arguments against down-firing subs that i've seen revolv ...   Aggielaw

07-07-05   What about horn or horn-like subwoofers like this one: http ...   Matchstikman

07-07-05   Dear onhwy61: +++++ " it's that sealed designs have pot ...   Rauliruegas

07-07-05   Dear aggielaw: +++++ " is it important to have sealed ...   Rauliruegas

07-07-05   Raul, do you have a list of sealed subs that you think are n ...   Matchstikman

07-07-05   Dear matchstikman : the horn subwoofers can be really great ...   Rauliruegas

07-07-05   Dear matchstikman: no, i don't. i don't have the opportunit ...   Rauliruegas

07-07-05   How low must it go for proper music duplication? a low e on ...   Matchstikman

07-07-05   I have a hsu vtf2mk sub, 10" down firing w/ rear dual p ...   Lej1447

07-07-05   Unless you listen too pipe organ music. a sub that reaches i ...   Gmood1

07-08-05   If the sealed cabinet design doesn't guarantee better perfor ...   Onhwy61

07-08-05   Lol.....1001 reasons hi-fi is great   C5150

07-08-05   Back to the original point....it is personal preference. mo ...   Tgrisham

07-13-05   aggielaw: and back to the original post, ...where does r. ...   Cardani


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