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  Anyone with a high-end home theater sans sub?
Is anyone else out there enjoying a high-end home theater without the contributions of a subwoofer, e.g. 7.0?

I always planned on getting one (partly because folks selling speakers say I need one), but enjoy what I've got enough to question spending another $2-$5K on a sub(s) for the deep bass extension.

(As a reference, I have Aerial 8b's, 2 pair of SR-3's, CC3b, Meridian 568v1 processor, and Theta Dreadnaught amp.)
Quicke  (Threads | Answers | This Thread)

10-31-05
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10-31-05   I have a 4.0 system using gershman acoustics avant garde rx- ...   Kgturner

10-31-05   Without a subwoofer for lfe, it's just loud tv.   Rex

10-31-05   If you were watching sitcoms and sports it would be acceptab ...   Maineiac

10-31-05   I have a meridian reference 800v4 and 861 v4 with 5.0 full r ...   Adidadi

11-01-05   I used to own aerial 10ts and a meridian processor.(one dyna ...   Avguygeorge

11-01-05   Adidadi - the meridians are nice speakers. they cover nearl ...   Rex

11-01-05   It would be worth borrowing a sub to see what if any differe ...   Maineiac

11-01-05   Yeah, you defintely need powered sub(s) to help that sytem r ...   Flrnlamb

11-02-05   You can't make a blanket statement like "all home theat ...   Johnmcelfresh

11-02-05   Rex, as john points out about his dsp8000's, i used to have ...   Adidadi

11-02-05   Like a hitchhikers night out here! i have some of the proce ...   Dmurfet

11-02-05   Do bear in mind that the dsp 7000's have 1/3 the number of w ...   Johnmcelfresh

11-03-05   First of all johnmcelfresh, your meridian dsp8000's have pow ...   Flrnlamb

11-03-05   I ran a pair of infinity kappa 9 speakers in a home theater ...   Mitch4t

11-03-05   No way the meridian will do 118 db at 18hz. i could do that ...   Mrpoindexter

11-04-05   Yeah, what mrpoindexter said...   Flrnlamb

11-04-05   I don't suppose adding a sub in my small room would even gen ...   Adidadi

11-04-05   If your system main speakers are measurably flat to 20hz, th ...   Goatwuss

11-04-05   What is the best way to test how low the system can go to us ...   Adidadi

11-05-05   Flrnlamb, as you point out, the dsp8000s (like most full-ran ...   Johnmcelfresh

11-07-05   No self-respecting ht afficianado would have a theater witho ...   Whoaru99

11-08-05   Johnmcelfresh, there is a vast difference between full range ...   Flrnlamb

11-09-05   Audiophiles and enthuiests alike will tinker, plot and plan ...   Flrnlamb

11-10-05   Flrnlamb, do you always communicate so condescendingly? you ...   Johnmcelfresh

11-11-05   Home theater is all about subs! more than one if possible. t ...   Markeetaux

11-15-05   Johnmcelfresh, if i was sounding condescending, it was becau ...   Flrnlamb

11-15-05   Flrnlamb, did you used to post under the "exertfluffer ...   John_z

11-15-05   Flrnlamb, chill out, dude! i wasn't trying to discredit you ...   Johnmcelfresh

11-16-05   Exert-who? fluffer? no, i've never done gay-porn, nor do i ...   Flrnlamb

11-16-05   Without a doubt, you can have a high-end home theater withou ...   Goatwuss

11-16-05   Flrnlamb - no, not talking about gay porn here, please don't ...   John_z

11-17-05   Huh?...who dat?...who der?...dat you mama??? sorry, wrong pe ...   Flrnlamb

11-21-05   Flrnlamb said: "yes, even a pair of old definitive bp20 ...   waldner123@

11-22-05   Well, another "arm-chair quarterback" audiopile ha ...   Flrnlamb

11-22-05   Whew. sombody pushed a button. i can live without a sub, a ...   Unclejeff

11-22-05   Personally,i think it's cool that the teacher "did" ...   Flrnlamb

11-23-05   In a lot of cases the lfe channel is just glorified car audi ...   Aroc

11-24-05   Actually aaron, i don't use active systems in all but the mo ...   Flrnlamb

11-28-05   Flrnlamb wouldn't know good sound if it landed in his lap. ...   waldner123@

11-29-05   Waldner123's feelings are hurt. sorry. desparate attempt to ...   Flrnlamb

11-29-05   Actually, in clarifying, i'm refering to something else here ...   Flrnlamb

11-29-05   Here, let me help you remove your foot from your mouth.   waldner123@

11-29-05   Sloppy high "q" bass is just that-- sloppy bass. ...   waldner123@

11-30-05   You know, we can flip flop terminoligy back and forth, we're ...   Flrnlamb

11-30-05   The center channel is the most important speaker in a theate ...   walnder123@

11-30-05   It would be my hell!   Kgveteran

11-30-05   I guess if you need your posts proof-read, and your grammar ...   Flrnlamb

12-01-05   Actually i have found that an ht setup with no center and a ...   Mattkimb96

12-01-05   Hmmm. only one showcase home per decade huh? (hey i'm just ...   West99

11-30-05   Mmm, look at this pile of wrongness, see what happens when i ...   Cinematic_systems

11-30-05   Since you brought it up (too many times to count) flrnlamb, ...   waldner123@

12-01-05   i have a highend h.t setup which i have run both ways.i u ...   Budt3210

12-01-05   yes you can have a 7.0 system that rocks on movies, and mus ...   Cinematic_systems

12-01-05   I actually agree with much of what you have said cinematic. ...   waldner123@

12-02-05   Oh, here we go again!!!... first off waldner, i never mentio ...   Flrnlamb

12-02-05   Cinematic? i think waldner123 likes you!!!! that's hot!... ( ...   Flrnlamb

12-02-05   Ok, let's look at what's the focus and interests of the gene ...   Flrnlamb

12-03-05   Three flrnlamb posts in a row and they get more rambling and ...   waldner123@

12-04-05: Javachip
As a newcomer to the 'Gon, I would feel honored to get flamed by Flrnlamb, sort of as a rite of initiation. So here goes.

I would like to comment on the distinction between "passive" and "active" as I understand those terms in this thread. The crucial point is not whether or not the amplifier is inside the same cabinet as the big cones. Rather, the crucial point is whether the crossover occurs before or after the high-level amplification. I have a VMPS New Larger subwoofer, which is passive in the sense that it does not contain a built-in amplifier, but since I am feeding it an input signal that was crossed over prior to amplification, it yields the same advantages that Flrnlamb enumerates for powered subwoofers.

There seems to be a growing school of thought that the best overall sound quality, for both music and home theater, results from placing the crossover BEFORE the amplifier. The real question in predicting a subwoofer's addition to (or subtraction from) overall sound quality is whether the subwoofer starts with a line-level, already-divided input signal (best solution) or whether the subwoofer takes a full-range high-level input and then extracts the bass from it, sending the remainder to the other speakers (inferior solution).

This idea is nothing new. Audiophiles have been bi-amping and tri-amping their speakers for decades. (Although, if full-range signal is delivered to each set of binding posts, then the benefit of this appoach seems uncertain.)

I found an interesting discussion of this topic in Sigfried Linkwitz's website www.linkwitzlabs.com. Linkwitz, no slouch in crossover and loudspeaker design, designed his Orion speaker with a separate pair of binding posts for each driver, thereby requiring 3 or 4 channels of amplification per speaker. The crossover, which is custom made for the specific drivers employed, occurs at line level, between the preamp and the power amp. The result, he claims, is accuracy and dynamic range that is unobtainable with high-level crossovers (the kind that most of us have).

There are many large full-range speaker systems with flat response down to 20 Hz or lower. According to the viewpoint I am describing, these full-range speakers may have an inherent disadvantage if they divide the signal after it has been amplified. The combination of a high-quality subwoofer, high-quality line-level crossover or surround processor, and high-quality amplifier, would seem to have an inherent advantage over the other system design.

Javachip  (Reviews | Threads | Answers | This Thread)


12-04-05   Javachip certainly sounds like a vote toward the dsp8000 th ...   Dmurfet

12-04-05   Javachip - sorry - my post should have been addressed to dmu ...   Johnmcelfresh

12-04-05   "the people who tend to achieve the best sound are thos ...   Cinematic_systems

12-04-05   Javachip, no flame here - i promise - just a slight correct ...   Johnmcelfresh

12-09-05   I agree with flrnlamb, johnmcelfresh, you need to do som ...   Readster

12-11-05   Wow. what a thread. my only comment is that when you watch t ...   Rysa4

12-12-05   Bass reproduction is, first and foremost, a function of prop ...   russno@

12-14-05   Try a james sub or a sunfire signature for home theatre... t ...   Mikesinger

12-20-05   I only have been into theater for 10 years and to me home th ...   Spinefixr

12-21-05   For me, home theater is all about eating twinkies! i love ye ...   Flrnlamb


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