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I need a professional consultant to work with my architect to help build as perfect a listening room over my garage as possible. RIVES is one possibility but I don't want to spend 10K just for the consulting work. I would like to build in as much sound isolation and room treatment as possible like that done for this person:
www.positive-feedback

Could I use ASC as a primary consultant and RIVES for after the room is built to do the final touch ups and room treatment? They only charge $100 for the engineer to help render sketches and make suggestions for the contractor.

acousticsciences.com

I would need detailed plans so that the architect would know how to impliment the built-in bass traps etc. I would need help with the specifics of window and door selection (materials) and placement, room dimensions, ceiling slope, floating floor, isolation etc... Please also see the list of ideas below. RIVES charges a fortune to render drawings based on a computer modeling system. I am not sure all of that makes sense until after the room is built, furnished and then tested, but certainly it is advantageous to build in as much acoustic isolation and treatment as possible from an aesthetic and cost perspective. Please comment on some of the suggestions below:

Room sizes

13X21X8 Feet
14 X18X8 Feet

windows o.k.
According to Dave Wilson

1. pitch ceiling height lower over speakers, higher over listener
2. Build bass traps into the wall
3. Corner loaded bass traps
4. Bass trap all four vertical corners and the ceiling perimeter corner with a soffit bass trap
5. Room dimensions:
Must over-size room by minimum of 6 inches walls, floor, and ceiling to allow for buildouts for acoustic treatments and sound isolation
A. 13-15 feet wide by 15-23 feet long
B. Room height 7-9 feet
must account for additional height of "floating floor"
C. Wall/stud resonance treatment and constrained layer damping: 1. Sandwich two layers of sheetrock. ? Gyproc Soundbloc 1.5 soundproofing plasterboard 2. Suspend sheetrock off studs by screwing into resilient metal fir strips called "z-metal" or "RC-1" 2. Visco damping material {1/16 " thick double sided adhesive visco-elastic sheet} is applied between the z-metal and the first sheet rock layer and a second visco-elastic sheet between the first and second layers. In place
of double sided adhesive visco-elastic sheet, can 100% glue to both sides a layer of sound board {firtex or celotex}. ? Staggered studs. The ceiling must be treated the same way.
D. Locate entry door behind the listner but on a SIDE WALL {nowhere near the speakers since the door will raddle} NOT ON A BACK WALL AND not flush to the corner and at least 2 feet from the corner. Door cannot rattle? Heavy acoustic door/frame?
E. Windows are very tympanic and should be avoided. Tall narrow windows are best.
Must not use standard thermal type instead use 2 layers of thick laminated glass [like that used for glass shelving in stores] separated by at least 4 inches of air space. The air space must be vented into the wall cavity. Set the glass into a bed of visco-elastic damping material. The glass sheets should be of different thicknesses.
F. Lighting should be subdued, indirect, and dimmable. Do not use standard wall dimmers since they will often hum or buzz. Use a variable voltage transformer. Consider low voltage lighting. Do not use ceiling cans, they rattle. The best light has a ceiling bezel and lens of thick rounded glass. Consider creating a false ceiling to hide projector, cabling, HVAC
ventilation big problem if room needs to be airtight to insure adequate sound isolation and room damping from the rest of the house
G. Address side wall, rear wall, and ceiling reflections which are determined by speaker placement. Room dimensions must account for acoustic panels
Dbk  (Reviews | Threads | Answers | This Thread)

02-16-05
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02-16-05   My thought is that with the amount of $ you are going to spe ...   Swampwalker

02-17-05   I would prefer the 13 x 21 x 8 ft dimensions. a lot of the ...   Stehno

02-17-05   I agree on the $1k fee, yes i know you said $10k. i just use ...   Dolfan

02-19-05   Rives audio knows what it's doing and doesn't have a vested ...   Soundprogression

02-19-05   "there is an inherent conflict between selling a produc ...   Cinematic_systems

02-19-05   Or you can use a little common sense. there are no guaran ...   Stehno

02-19-05   I couldn't agree more although there are other competent con ...   Soundprogression

02-20-05   Stehno please, do you really believe that? "as with so ...   Cinematic_systems

02-20-05   Cinematic, just to get an idea where you are coming from, wh ...   Stehno

02-20-05   Stehno, there are never guarantees, but this is obvious. n ...   Cinematic_systems

02-20-05   Cinematic, my experience tells me that there are far fewer p ...   Stehno

02-20-05   Whoa guys, this is about helping a person make good choices ...   Soundprogression

02-21-05   Now there's a consultant worth interviewing!! good points, ...   Stehno

02-21-05   I admit i'm biased to the path i choose regarding room desig ...   Mikelavigne

02-21-05   In your case, a hired consultant seems to make sense, worth ...   Jeffjarvis

02-22-05   Mikelavigne, no offense, but with the amount of time and m ...   Stehno

02-22-05   Stehno, give it a rest. instead of criticizing why not go a ...   Stenersr

02-22-05   Stenersr, where did you fly in from? you must be the new bo ...   Stehno

02-23-05: Mikelavigne
Stehno, as my article and above post spell out.....i do clearly think that if a person has a relatively 'clean sheet of paper' to start with.....getting a single comprehensive professionally created plan makes the most sense for most audiophiles.......and ultimately worth the money. one must choose the budget and construction quality one is comfortable with. the designer can go modest with treatments or exotic. in any case a cohesive plan is best.

i believe trying to assemble an ecclectic assembly of different acoustical treatments and philosphies into a project without a fundamental scientific and experiencial basis does not have a high probability for success. there are many techie audiophiles that do have the knowledge and experience to design their own room......the issue is a true understanding of acoustical cause and effect.

if i did change my mind on my particular audio path (either regarding gear or room design philosphy) i would admit it even if it might be considered silly. in fact; i have changed directions a few times as i have gone down the learning path as an audiophile......i am currently changing speakers from the very simple Kharma Exquisite to the quite complicated Von Schweikert VR9's. turns out the new room really reveals the shortcomings of the Exquisite in low bass performance. i asked the designer to design the ultimate room.....not the best room for my speakers. if the Exquisites are not up to it.....i'll move on.

in the past i've gone from solid state amps to tubes.......from active pre's to passive......from Wilson's to Kharma's.

if, after a time, i have problems with my room acoustics.....i'll change them. all the bass trapping can be closed up completely or partially and dampning can be added or subtrackted......i don't anticipate any need to do these things.....but i am not so ego-invested that i would forgo changes if that was best. i try to keep my mind and ears open.

i am enjoying my journey and hope to keep learning.

Mikelavigne  (System | Reviews | Threads | Answers | This Thread)


02-23-05   Hi, mike. certainly no need to explain and fwiw, your last ...   Stehno

02-23-05   I know a bit about construction and it take alot of characte ...   Jeffjarvis

02-23-05   Mike, imho after reading everything. there has been some g ...   Artizen65

02-23-05   Michael; i assume your post is directed at me. this thread w ...   Mikelavigne

02-23-05   Stehno, no need to apologize...no offense taken. you and i ...   Mikelavigne

02-23-05   Mike, my mistake, you are correct my comments were ment for ...   Artizen65

02-26-05   Thanks everyone for all of your comments. a few more questi ...   Dbk

02-27-05   Also a few people have suggested that using the diagonal roo ...   Dbk

03-02-05   Although all the discussion have been interesting, the origi ...   Soundprogression

03-02-05   Rather than focusing on i'd specifics first i'd ask you to i ...   Dbk

03-03-05   I've run the numbers several times in several ways and the r ...   Soundprogression


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