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02-25-02
For the past 50 years or so people have been working to opti ... Herman
02-25-02: Sean
While Herman nailed it on the head, you also have to consider that you now have an even greater amount of speaker to room interaction taking place. If you have actually ever taken the time to try to obtain optimum performance with TWO speakers, you already know that you don't want to mess with trying to set up a half dozen. Sean
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02-25-02
I would agree with sean. when a two channel system is set u ... Rrlibv
02-25-02
I should add that in many cases mono has better fidelity tha ... Marakanetz
02-25-02
Technically, it's not. a good multichannel system can provid ... Bomarc
02-25-02
the quality of imaging available in multichannel systems u ... Flex
02-25-02: Sean
Good thread. Glad to see some diverse opinions with valid points being made on both sides of the fence.
As to the stance that i ( and probably others ) took, let's just say that we have been pretty dis-illusioned with what the industry has had to offer. After all, they've handed us line after line after line of bogus advertising and propaganda regarding every "high tech" advancement that they've come up with. If this multi-channel does take off, will we have to buy a pro logic decoder ? Then what about an AC-3 decoder when that format arrives? Then what happens when DTS comes out ? I think that you get the point.
On top of that, it has "only" taken 15 - 20 years to get "redbook" cd's to sound good. While a lot of the digital knowledge that they've learned along the way can be applied to multi-channel sound, the question is will they ??? If so, to what extent and when ???
I hate to sound like a dinosaur clinging to existence as i know it, but i don't think that ANYONE wants to go through dozens of "upgrades" and "new investments" every time that they come out with a new format. Even if multi-channel SACD or DVD-A do take off, what is to say that these formats will last a reasonable amount of time ? Personally, i would put my money on DVD-A becoming a commercial success over SACD due to the multi-channel sound and video potential. I think that this is becoming more evident as commercial artists start to embrace it. While SACD may sound better ( when done properly ), quality has little to do with what the public likes or thinks is convenient.
As it is now, neither is good enough or has enough software available to make me think twice about becoming a hardcore advocate. Doing such would cause me to have to replenish my "software" collection with yet another format AND make me rethink / re-invest a large amount of time / money into making my systems "multi-channel" compatible. As such, i'm sure that i'm not alone in these thoughts or feelings.
Then again, the "commoner" with a small investment in their entertainment system might not think twice about buying the latest & greatest "full featured" multi-channel rack system from Best Buy / Circuit City for $499. To some extent, this type of division ( quality vs quantity ) pits the "audiophile" against the "average consumer". As such, we will probably end up becoming an even smaller "niche market" as things progress. After all, to the average person, "more" IS "better". Sean
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02-25-02
The recording industry is in turmoil just now. i'm sure man ... Cornfedboy
02-25-02
When i listen to 2 channel audio, what i listen for is reali ... Hindemith
02-25-02
I agree with most of the above reasons why "2 channel i ... Gboren
02-25-02
Have you ever noticed that it's often easier to place instru ... Bomarc
02-25-02
Is anyone out there using the panpot? is it worth to use an ... Psychicanimal
02-26-02
It's pretty logical and simple: before the digital technolog ... Marakanetz
02-26-02
Gboren: i think you don't understand the *possibilities* of ... Bomarc
02-27-02
Bomarc: fair enough. i fully agree about the possibilities ... Gboren
02-27-02
What about from a signaling perspective? is analog signals t ... Springowl
03-03-02
Most of us have speakers in the front that cost 4 to 5 times ... Darrylhifi
03-03-02: Sean
Darryl, the speakers in the rear of my HT system are identical to my mains from 200 Hz on up. Below that, the mains have dual 12's in each cabinet and the rears make use of dual 10's in each cabinet. They all use a single 8" lower midrange driver, a dome upper mid and dome tweeter above that. My center uses identical dome mids and tweeters to those found on the mains and surrounds with two of the identical 8's going down to their natural roll-offs in the 30 - 40 Hz range. I also have two subs, each housing identical 12" drivers to what are used in the mains. For power, i have 1200 wpc driving the mains and 800 wpc driving the center, surrounds and two subs. Those are all factory ratings and from the testing that i've seen, somewhat conservative numbers.
As it is, i'm "fully equipped" to do "full range surround sound" in "audiophile fashion". Truth is, i have NO interest in music being reproduced in this fashion at this point in time. Truth is, most of the recording and production techniques are SO lacking that i think it would be more of a distraction than an improvement. They've been trying to get two channel reproduction dialed in for years and we still have drum sets that span the entire width of the stage, intstruments that wander from side to side at random, etc.... How much "better" do you think that they would be able to cope with a half dozen different channels to mix and pan between ???? Sean
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PS... Supposedly, JJ's "Death Star" multi-channel recording process holds GREAT potential. He is one of the few audiophile scientists that tries to use both test equipment and his ears with common sense to improve upon what we currently have. Too bad he is retiring and the company is going to drop the project.
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03-03-02
In response to sean's post, who is the 'they', as in 'they'v ... Flex
03-03-02: Sean
My comments were based on what i purchase in terms of recorded music. In plain English, i think that the "average recording" is strictly "average" at best. Those that truly stand out are far and few between. As such, i think that until the bar can be raised on 2 channel recordings to the point that the "average" recording is quite good, we are doomed for an even longer "learning process" and "fiddling with controls and effects" in multi-channel. While this is not to say that multi-channel doesn't have potential, it is meant to say that the old "K.I.S.S." theory ( Keep It Simple, Stupid ) is still quite valid. Even in these days of "high tech" and "digital ready" gear and recordings. Sean
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03-06-02
I have been into ht for a while and currently have a system ... Asinetar
03-06-02
"certainly not audiophile class." what are you ta ... Psychicanimal
03-11-02
Most engineers can't get it right with only two channels, i ... Ubetit
03-13-02
I'm using a primare p30 pre/pro in my 2-channel system. it ... Stehno
03-13-02
My 2-channel ht is starting to sound *really* good. the swa ... Psychicanimal
03-29-02
There are some very valid points made in this thread both pr ... Avideo
03-29-02
Just giving my two cents worth..... it's hard to enjoy your ... Viggen
03-29-02
My current 2 channel set up does not compromise stereo imagi ... Psychicanimal
04-03-02
I didn't read all the replys, so i'm not sure if anyone answ ... Mdomnick
04-23-02
It all depends upon the room and your listening position. i ... Perkadin
04-24-02
Excellent post, perkadin. you've wrapped up this thread. i ... Psychicanimal
07-16-02
All of the information that you need for multi-channel stere ... Redwoodgarden
07-16-02
No, a great deal of information is lost - irretrievably - wh ... Hearhere
07-16-02
See "stereo or home theatre" under the "misce ... Unsound
03-06-03
First i wonder how many of the 2 channel supporters have lis ... Bobstcyr
03-06-03
To tell the truth i love 1ch over 2ch. i always prefere to b ... Marakanetz
03-06-03
Hey guys- except for one response above, it seems that every ... Russ_l
06-25-03
@ channel is better than multichannel because multichannel h ... Audiophanatik
06-25-03
Most of us only have 2 ears. sstark@
06-25-03
Can't say which sounds better, depends on the recording i gu ... Sogood51
07-06-03
Springowl, if you're still out there, you must have upgradde ... Iseekheils
07-22-03
I have developed a hybrid of the two that, in my opinion, is ... Redwoodgarden
07-28-03
The only reason 2 ch is better then 5.1 is becouse we (you a ... Izsakmixer
07-28-03
Izsssakmixer...you are absolutely right about having all spe ... Eldartford
07-30-03
There is definatly something to be said about having identic ... Slappy
08-06-03
How about three channel? this is something that i have done ... Eldartford
08-08-03
I agree with the notion that not having identical speakers d ... Chucknms
08-09-03
Chucknms...in discrete multichannel recordings (sacd or dvd- ... Eldartford
08-09-03
True...i should have been more specific and said multi-chann ... Chucknms
08-09-03
A center channel is not a full range speaker, so, naturally, ... Viggen
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