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  $$$Sensitive Speakers with $$Amps?
I've read a recent thread, and a Six Moons review for recommending certain amps who's price tag falls short of the subject loudspeakers. For example, Red Wine Audio 15 with Rethm Maarga speakers.

My area of focus is with sensitive speakers being driven by low-watt amps. Are there really super values out there for these type of amplifiers, or do the typical spending rules apply?
Kennythekey  (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)

05-15-12
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05-15-12   The short answer is yes. if your speaker is high efficiency, ...   Atmasphere

05-15-12   I don't think my point was very clear, so i didn't mean the ...   Kennythekey

05-15-12   Not sure about the speaker choice.   Jaybo

05-15-12   Jaybo, my questions aren't so much about choice of speakers ...   Kennythekey

05-16-12   It's a good question.   Mapman

05-16-12   the short answer is yes. your job is to go out and find the ...   Clio09

05-16-12   I own a pair of hornings, the product previous to the aristo ...   Trelja

05-16-12   Amps must always be matched to speakers for best results. i ...   Mapman

05-15-12   The hornings are very sophisticated speakers and will benefi ...   Sounds_real_audio

05-16-12   i have two pieces of tube gear, a dac and a pre-amp. the ...   Mapman

05-15-12   I think jaybo is correct to question your speaker choice. wh ...   Kcufnogoidua

05-16-12   My other observation regarding amps specifically with good h ...   Mapman

05-16-12   A shockingly inexpensive tube amp that is also surprisingly ...   Roscoeiii

05-16-12   Thank you everyone for your insight and personal experiences ...   Kennythekey

05-16-12   Roscoe, the miniwatt looks very interesting! a nice minima ...   Mapman

05-16-12   Nope very little to lose on the miniwatt. i use one with psv ...   Roscoeiii

05-16-12   When considering an amplifier, i would require at least thre ...   Kennythekey

05-16-12   Hi kenny, i believe you`re moving in the right direction and ...   Charles1dad

05-16-12   Hi charles, i am welcoming suggestions and thank you for yo ...   Kennythekey

05-16-12   Our amps only have one stage of gain. hard to get simpler th ...   Atmasphere

05-16-12   Kenny with the horning you`re lucky in that you have many ch ...   Charles1dad

05-16-12   Thanks charles! yes, research and patience. i don't know if ...   Kennythekey

05-16-12: Kennythekey
Atmasphere,
You are right of course, as your amps have stood the test of time and are highly regarded. No debate there, as some expensive amps do deliver the goods and sound superior. This, probably relates to the quality of parts used that cost a pretty penny, but provide the final percentage of return. I understand, and thought I relayed the value of spending the extra bucks with my reference to the $40K Tron that I love. I know that you have far less expensive designs.

It's an intersting hobby, and for some of us we enjoy finding less expensive solutions that excel to fit our personal high expectations and budgets of what's wonderful. For example, Sam Kim does not install Auricaps or the like. Instead, he cuts open different runs of quality capacitors and he knows by inspection, which ones will sound the best. This is what does it for me, because I'm a retired Locksmith who doesn't have unlimited funds. However, there are reviewers who expect the quality of parts to be there. This is why I rely on all of you for quality feedback.

Kennythekey  (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)


05-17-12   My horning speakers don't do so well with set 300b, or even ...   Trelja

05-17-12   Kenny are the hornings you`re interested in the same as trel ...   Charles1dad

05-17-12   This is excellent information, and for my smallish room the ...   Kennythekey

05-17-12   Charles, i've heard the horning eufrodites driven by the tr ...   Kennythekey

05-17-12   Trelja's experience flies in the face of what our other horn ...   Atmasphere

05-17-12   Atmasphere, apparently the many who`ve heard the horning-tro ...   Charles1dad

05-17-12   Like trelja, i hold onto my equipment for a long time, so it ...   Kennythekey

05-17-12   the vac renaissance power amplifiers were superseded by newe ...   Almarg

05-17-12   Thanks, almarg. i prefer to list only new equipment for the ...   Kennythekey

05-17-12   Charles1dad, i think i did that last post pretty poorly! i m ...   Atmasphere

05-17-12   Hi atmasphere, wow ,you do listen at higher sound levels the ...   Charles1dad

05-18-12   Kennythekey, in what part of the country are you located? s ...   Trelja

05-18-12   Trelja, its not clear to me what is the criteria by which y ...   Mapman

05-18-12   The best amplifier i have ever owned (and not the most expen ...   Kcufnogoidua

05-18-12   Trelja, very nice and interesting post! there are things th ...   Charles1dad

05-18-12: Kennythekey
Thanks, Trelja.

Bravo, a good dosing of tangible results through hands-on research! Well done.

As I quickly and loosely threw a number of amplifier contenders into a heap, it sounds like you might be able to help me discard and/or re-sort the list to better match the two and possibly additional speaker models.

As with many audiophiles, I love music without an engineering degree, so my ears tell all. Your contribution, however, makes me wish I had at least finished my correspondence course with the Cleveland Institute of Electronics. Funny, I got to the part about vacuum tubes and threw my hands up. Too bad, it was back in the seventies and I had no one to hold my hand, like on AudiogoN!

Seriously, this forum thread is not all about me. Hopefully, it can be used as some small reference to others of what types of low-watt amps match up nicely with types of HE speakers. A plus, and the part that is related to me at this time, is finding lower cost wonders to match up with my speakers of interest.

I live in Colorado, so I have access to RMAF. This is where I met Jeff (HWS) who’s a great guy and my main dealer of the last three years. I also grew up in NYC and worked downtown, so I am very familiar with the surroundings.

Again, thank you for your help and commentary.
Kenny

Kennythekey  (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)


05-18-12: Atmasphere
Charles1dad, its not like I listen to those levels all the time! But there are certain LPs, that in order to sound life-like, have to be allowed to do what the composer and musicians had in mind.

The Verdi Requiem (RCA Soria edition), side one track 2, is an example. The music goes from ppp to ffff (for those of you not into music, very very quiet to as loud as can be played) and as far as I can make out, the LP is not compressed. It will bring most stereos to their knees very quickly! Its just not convincing when the system is playing the quiet portions at the right level and then craps out/compresses/gets harsh when the music demands it. So its nice to have some dynamic range available, even if it does not get used all that much.

Here's couple of others:
Decca/London Das Reingold (Solti cond.) side 6. Amazing. (I'm not much of an opera fan but I make an exception for Wagner.)
Black Sabbath Paranoid Vertigo 'white Label' UK edition. Astonishingly well-recorded. The energy in the grooves is un-playable on many systems.

Joe, seriously, we've not been sitting on our hands in the last 8 years. Get that M-60 in here- I think you will be pleasantly surprised... Now I am wondering about this horn/transmission thing. As you know I had some of Bud's speakers as well (still have his big subwoofer) and our amps have always found them a very friendly load. But I've had a lot of horns too and have found them to be friendly loads too. But you have been very consistent in your comments about rear horn loading, which flies in the face of our experience/feedback. So I am wondering if there is something in particular about the speaker model that you have or what. There's not yet enough data to be conclusive.

Atmasphere  (Threads | Answers | This Thread)


05-18-12   one of the widest dynamic range recordings in my collection ...   Almarg

05-18-12   ".. its nice to have some dynamic range available, even ...   Mapman

05-19-12   Kenneythekey, i'm impressed in the most incredible way by yo ...   Trelja

05-20-12   Trelja, well, i haven't heard the aristoteles because they ...   Kennythekey

05-20-12   it seems to make good , hard nosed economic sense, to go fo ...   David12

05-20-12   Thanks david. i've been living with conventional mid-nineti ...   Kennythekey

06-04-12   Alkso, try out the sleeper and giant killer of the year amp, ...   Ozarktom

06-11-12   Thank you ozarktom, i will check out the amp.   Kennythekey


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