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I am interested in a BAT amp but my Rogue 99 Magnum does not have balanced outputs. There are of course adapters (Cardas makes what appears to be a nice one), are these worth it or do they defeat the purpose of a balanced unit? Do they compromise sound quality?
Podolaw  (Threads | Answers | This Thread)

08-19-11
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08-19-11   It would be better to get a balancing transformer. look at j ...   Rwwear

08-19-11   Bat sells the adapters you need and they are made to work wi ...   Stereo5

08-20-11   If you are confident you want the combination, keep your sin ...   Lloydelee21

08-20-11   So there is a sound degradation when using adapters or rca t ...   Podolaw

08-20-11   If you are going rca to xlr because you like the 2 component ...   Lloydelee21

08-20-11   There is no inherent superiority of balanced vs. single ende ...   Gmuffley

08-20-11   When one considers the noise cancellation properties of bala ...   Rwwear

08-20-11   There are so many considerations relative to the specific ge ...   Mitch2

08-20-11   I couldn't agree more mitch. http://www.jensen-transformers ...   Rwwear

08-21-11   Mitch2, rwwear, and the rest of the community: supposing the ...   Seakayaker

08-21-11   If going from balanced to single ended you may gain somethin ...   Rwwear

08-21-11   I will answer this by saying the folks at jensen are availab ...   Mitch2

08-21-11   Yes, the pro to consumer isomax gives you the step-down rati ...   Seakayaker

08-21-11   Another thought, though i am not the transformer answer guy, ...   Seakayaker

08-21-11   Oh, and one more thing... you could get a cathodyne (split l ...   Seakayaker

08-21-11   If you are not looking at replacing your preamp with a balan ...   Response34

08-21-11   A bad idea. balanced amps require an inverting and a non-inv ...   Hifigeek1

08-22-11   Mitch2, just curious... why did you select an input transfo ...   Bob_reynolds

08-22-11   I apologize for hijacking the thread, but i have a question: ...   Maril555

08-22-11   I had rogue magnum 99 preamp and bat vk200 for a month or so ...   Ihcho

08-22-11   "when one considers the noise cancellation properties o ...   Michael_moskowich

08-22-11   Of course there are many instances where hum is not a proble ...   Rwwear

08-22-11   bob, that's an excellent question. i'm not entirely sure ...   Almarg

08-22-11   Yes, al, i think you have it right. bob, the up to 60k bandw ...   Seakayaker

08-22-11   Hi guys, i just had a chance to check in and see bob's quest ...   Mitch2

08-23-11   Al, seakayaker, mitch2, isn't the cmrr of an input transfor ...   Bob_reynolds

08-23-11   Hi bob, once again you raise excellent questions. in the a ...   Almarg

08-23-11   Fine job again, al. bill whitlock and team have documented t ...   Seakayaker

08-23-11   As al discusses, perhaps the cables also make a difference. ...   Mitch2

08-24-11: Atmasphere
The reason you use balanced lines is lower noise and lower distortion, plus the opportunity to eliminate the sonic role that the cable has in the system. BTW, length (or shortness) of the cables has nothing to do with it!

Now if you are using a single-ended source with a balanced amplifier, you will not be able to realize this advantage. Thus comes the idea of a transformer. You would use the transformer directly at the output of the source, keeping the cables between the source and the transformer as short as possible. However the transformer (including the Jensens, which are excellent) will have a sonic artifact which is easily heard, even if properly loaded. If the transformer is kept as close to the source with the cables to it as short as possible, CMRR degradation issues will be minimized.

Now, if the main interconnect cable can be short, you are better off just making the connection with a single-ended cable. The amp, BTW, is not going to give a hoot if it has differential inputs, and the BAT does.

But if the cable is to be very long, over 20 feet, then there will be an advantage to using the transformer solution (assuming an excellent transformer), despite the artifact it introduces, because that artifact will be *less* than that of a single-ended cable being run long distances like that.

Mari555 asks about the other way 'round, where the preamp is balanced and the amp single-ended. There are several ways to do this. The most elegant is to modify the amp with a balanced input, and even though the amp is single-ended, it is possible to set it up so that the amp uses both the non-inverting and the inverting connections of the XLR.

The second method is to use an input transformer that does the conversion.

Finally, an adapter can be used to good effect, and while this technique is cheap and easy- you get what you pay for- it does not take advantage of the balanced output of the preamp and so the resulting sound will not be as good.

Just FWIW, we built the world's first balanced line preamps. We've been answering these questions for a long time.

Atmasphere  (Threads | Answers | This Thread)


08-24-11   How does a transformer work to convert the amp to balanced a ...   Rwwear

08-24-11   For atmasphere: your knowledge, helpfulness, and long experi ...   Seakayaker

08-24-11   ralph, with all due respect, this solution did not work for ...   Mitch2

08-24-11   Al, you're exactly on the right path regarding the performan ...   Kirkus

08-24-11   Kirk, thanks very much for the outstanding explanations, all ...   Almarg

08-24-11   Seakayaker, the issue with the use of a transformer is one o ...   Atmasphere

08-25-11   Just a couple of quick points here. first - the notion that ...   Chipmunk

08-25-11   Uh, victor, he was talking about an single-ended source driv ...   Atmasphere

08-25-11   Chipmunk, i have one of your vk 40 pre amps currently drivin ...   Mystang

08-25-11   No problems, the only drawback would be in not utilizing the ...   Chipmunk

08-26-11   Sorry atmasphere, i didn't mean to imply that cmrr was the r ...   Kirkus

08-26-11   all of the line output transformers i have ever seen need s ...   Atmasphere

08-26-11   proper transient response and flat frequency response of cou ...   Kirkus

08-27-11   Forgive me, but i skimmed through this thread and could not ...   Talk2me

08-28-11   Talk2me, several references to your amp that i've seen indic ...   Almarg

08-29-11   it is indeed! did you get a chance to check the bandwidth a ...   Atmasphere

08-30-11   i just ran an existing scripted procedure on the m-2, and it ...   Kirkus

08-30-11   Hi talk2me . . . al managed to find much more information ab ...   Kirkus

08-31-11   Kirkus, yes that does sound like a pain. i've always been ...   Atmasphere


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