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12-03-10: Sakahara
Addendum:
What about this Genalex Gold Lion PX300B tube?
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12-03-10
Hi, 6 moons did a very detailed review of the full music se ... Charles1dad
12-03-10
Hi sakahara, i've owned the kr's and found the sound wonderf ... Montejay
12-03-10: Sakahara
I think most of these current productions have reliability issues; KR. EAT,... even Sophia from personal experience. I also have a hard time believing those reviews that praise the much cheaper versions as much as those who can't accept the gushing over NOS WE. One can only audition for themselves, in their system, to know for sure. Its very subjective. I just didn't want to do that at this time. Difficult decision. I may go with Sophia. KR's handling of customers worries me.
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12-03-10
Hi sakahara, i'm shopping for 300bs too. did you give any co ... Phaelon
12-03-10
My kr broke at the base and they want me to send the tube ba ... Lewhite
12-03-10
I have used eml 45 (solid plate) and 2a3 and shungang black ... Gsm18439
12-04-10: Sakahara
I forgot about Emission Labs. I recall good things. I'm skeptical of the Shunguag(?) and most others in the $100-$200 range. It's not much to spend but can quickly add up from disappointing trials. One prerequisite is the tube be made to WE 300B specs. Not all 300B's are direct replacements and each 300B amp design varies. This could be the cause of failure for some customers 300B's.
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12-04-10
Sakahara, you are apparently confusing the shuguang lower c ... Charles1dad
12-04-10
Cheap chinees, such as tj's or other's have problems to keep ... Maxmad
12-04-10
Very happy with the eml 300b solid plate. would love to try ... Onemug
12-04-10
The problem with eml's mesh, they cant be used on any 300b a ... Maxmad
12-04-10
I ment, on every 300b amp, sorry guys... Maxmad
12-04-10: Sakahara
Charles1dad: No disrespect intended. I was only generally commenting on cheaper 300B production. I may in deed enjoy the sound of the Shuguang Treasure Series 300B. I just have a predilection for the original; NOS WE. And I haven't heard any other 300B either. I would have liked to, but once I had those vintage beauties in place there was no reason to disturb the sound. Maybe it was $$$ bias since they cost so much. But the overall system sound was glorious. Now I'm only trying to narrow down my choices and hopefully come away with one that satisfies both my senses and budget.
I'll always be very skeptical when it comes to the cheap vacuum tube versions, or when manufacturers insist you use theirs, compared to NOS.
I won't be buying the KR WE Clone because of the reliability/warranty issues, even though it technically should be a perfect match for my SET monos and thus warrantied. That's unfortunate, although their position of denying warranty to some customers is understandable. It's designed to certain specs (matched to their amps) and other amp designs may not be compatible, hence the premature failure. Tube makers don't like to mention this fact because they want you to use their tubes, but you need to check specs before rolling ahead, especially with NOS, and making sure it is a proper variant. I haven't run into any issues so far but I've had a few NOS and current production tubes fail before their time. Not bad though when compared to how many tubes I've had and hrs used.
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Sakahara (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)
12-04-10
Hi, sakahara, you did`nt offend me at all. i was just tryin ... Charles1dad
12-04-10: Sakahara
Who sells the Shuguang Treasure Series? Is there a manufacturer website? And what about the Genelax Gold Lion PX300B?
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12-04-10: Sakahara
Is Shuguang Treasure Grade B ok? Reading the description they sound defective. $395 from Grant Fidelity. $510 for Grade A.
My interest in this tube is growing as I'm not feeling Sophia at the moment (failed 274B) and would like to give another brand a try.
EAT is too expensive. KR WE Clone is available for just over $500, but I don't want to be disappointed if it fails and lose $$. And the EML 300B is $493. I'm not paying any more then that for these tubes. I'd rather pick up half used NOS WE.
Sakahara (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)
12-04-10
I purchased the grade a versions from grant fidelity Charles1dad
12-04-10
The grade b shuguang tubes aren't defective. they're just a ... Afc
12-05-10
Sometimes grant fidelity has sales on the treasure tubes, ev ... Gsm18439
12-05-10: Sakahara
Afc: Don't take offense. I was being facetious about the Shuguang Treasure Grade B being defective. I realize they're not. But the way the description is worded it comes off that way.
What other 300B's ave you listened to? Have you heard vintage NOS WE? And thanks for the buying tips.
At this point I'm leaning toward either EML or Shuguang Treasure.
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300B comments from tube gear designer;
"I supply my new amps with basic/standard 300B's (Chinese/Russian) as I know customers will want to change them in the future. I only offer Emission Labs tubes as a priced option. On the top end gear I use Emission Labs - they might not be the best sounding but they are very robust, are extremely reliable, also sound very good and they look good too..... I have not heard the carbon plate or Shuguang Treasure as they do not look like a 300B and are only clones - These should really be called by a new name and not a 300B because they are not a 300B. Also I don't like using anything from China. "
Sakahara (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)
12-05-10
Sakahara, no worries, none taken. haven't heard nos western ... Afc
12-05-10: Sakahara
Afc: That is a ridiculous. I paid about half that for NOS/NIB '49/'50 matched pair. I would buy used, even current production.
Sakahara (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)
12-05-10
Sakahara, the statement from the tube amp designer sure mak ... Charles1dad
12-05-10: Sakahara
Who has the best price for EML 300B?
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12-05-10
Sakahara, which eml 300b are you looking at? Phaelon
12-07-10
There is a huge difference in quality control between cheap ... Maxmad
12-11-10: Sakahara
Phaelon: I'm looking at the EML 300B.
I want 300B tubes that are as close to the original - WE. None of this Super Sized Globe Mesh XLS...... This is why so many 300B tubes fail - they're not compatible contrary to manufactures claims.
I'm well aware what my SET monoblocks need. I had NOS WE and they were sweeeeet. But I'm on a tight budget now. I'd gladly pick up used NOS WE, or even used or new current production but there's none to be found. I'm not paying $2K for latest WE production.
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12-16-10: Sakahara
I've decided to buy EML 300B ($495). I've only found two dealers in US (East and West Coast). Is that it?
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12-16-10
That's the solid plate eml 300b, not the mesh plate. Rgurney
12-16-10
I hope the eml's are everything you want them to be sakahara ... Phaelon
12-16-10: Sakahara
Rgurney: Correct. The mesh plate wouldn't match amp design/circuitry. That's most likely why so many 300B's fail - not matched for amps.
Phaelon: Hopefully I can recall what the NOS WE sounded like. It's been a few months, plus I'll have new speakers. I think the EML 300B will be satisfying enough based on feedback. It looks good too (resembles WE more then others). In the end all that matters is whether or not I enjoy the sound from my system.
I would have tried the Shuguang Treasure but timing and shipping from Canada.... plus they didn't have Grade A in stock. Considered Grade B ($375). That's how much I'd like to pay for these 300B knock-offs. I almost bought current WE production but the asking prices are ridiculous. I'd rather buy used NOS.
Sakahara (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)
12-16-10: Sakahara
What's going on with Tube Audio Store/RAM Labs? Has anyone ordered from them lately? Placed order online for EML 300B and received invoice, but no reply to email (one address undeliverable) and no one answer phone (msg only about moving....?). Wonderful.
Sakahara (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)
12-16-10
Sakahara - consider this source: http://www.goodcomponent. ... Rgurney
12-16-10
tubesusa is a primary supplier of eml tubes. Tvad
12-17-10: Sakahara
Thanks for the Shuguang Treasure source. Much lower prices. Grade B?
TubesUSA is East Coast and PayPal only, but I may end up having to order from them.
Ordering imported tubes always seems to be an issue.
Sakahara (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)
12-17-10
Hi, sakahara, you stated in an earlier post that you`re rep ... Charles1dad
12-17-10
You can try jacmusic.com, jac is the man to deal with, howev ... Maxmad
12-17-10
Sakahara - i've read online that the 'grading' system is hyp ... Rgurney
12-17-10
I just checked with my buddy and he wrote that eat would be ... Maxmad
12-17-10
i've read that, too, but authored from chinese tube sellers. ... Tvad
12-17-10
"thanks for the shuguang treasure source. much lower pr ... Phaelon
12-17-10: Sakahara
EML 300B vs Shuguang Treasure 300B.
Comments from those who've compared these two in their system?
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12-17-10: Sakahara
Charles1dad: The TRON/Horning combo was incredible. My favorite and best I've heard in 20 yrs of high-end audio. I'm not trying to replace the Horning speakers (that would be extremely difficult). I am simply downgrading due to financial woes. Considering a few options. I'll let you know (check out my other thread).
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12-17-10
Sakahara, sorry to hear that, these are very tough times for ... Charles1dad
12-17-10
let's keep our perspective. anyone shopping for vacuum tube ... Tvad
12-17-10: Sakahara
Tvad: I'm sorry. I'll buy the cheaper 300B tubes.
Fyi, I wasn't looking at the $650 EML 300B XLS.
Sakahara (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)
12-18-10
Sakahara, only you know your current financial status relati ... Charles1dad
12-18-10
Just buy these: ( http://cgi.ebay.com/new-old-stock-tubes-we ... Rodman99999
12-19-10: Sakahara
Well, I've come full circle and purchasing the Sophia SET Princess Carbon Plate. I had placed an order for the EML 300B but Tube Audio Store didn't have stock. So reluctantly (explanation coming...), I tried ordering from the only other US dealer; George Lenz at TubesUSA. I soon gave up on that. He has these extra fees/charges (PayPal higher then 3%, packing material costs,..) and he's very evasive with any questions. It's no wonder he has stock - no one buys from him. Arrogant, rude. Don't buy from TubesUSA. That forced me to rethink which tube to use, but after speaking with my amps dealer, who felt the Sophia was better then the EML, I took his advice.
Charles1dad: I was being sarcastic with Tvad.
Rodman99999: Too much.
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