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  solid state vs tubes
has anyone compared a tube amp to a solid state amp and discovered that the diffference sonically between them was undetectable. ? if so what was the tube amp and what was the solid state amp ?

the reason for the question is the basic issue of the ability to distinguish a tube amp from a solid state amp.

this is especially interesting if the components were in production during the 90's , 80's or 70's.

if the components are in current production the probability of such aan occurrence might increasea.

why own a tube amp if there exists a solid state amp that sounds indistinguishable from it ?
Mrtennis  (Threads | Answers | This Thread)

09-21-10
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09-22-10   Good luck with that! there is no such beast imo and my expe ...   Philjolet

09-22-10   Anyone who has listened to a good tube and and also to a goo ...   Lall

09-22-10   From an engineering standpoint it simply does not matter wha ...   Musicnoise

09-22-10: Rtn1
It has been said that Pass XA.5 has a tube-like sound. I no longer understand what that means. To my ears, the Pass has a midrange on par with BAT, CAT, and Berning. That is, it has midrange depth, fullness, and CLARITY. Many SS amps have a midrange HAZE that everyone thinks is tube-like. To me, the essence of tubes is not haze, although there are certainly tube amps and preamps that smear the presentation. Some tube amps can also limit treble extension, and make the music sound homogenous and dull. Good tubes create a 3D, textured, plump, and clear midrange that sounds natural. They can shape the attack and decay of the note to create an increased sense of space.

However, I think the Pass surpasses tube amps, particularly in terms of low noise, bass depth, an effortlessness/relaxed presentation, and control during crescedos. I have to give credit to the BAT tubed preamp for contributing to this sound, in addition to the Tripoint Troy and supporting cables. If my system was behind a screen, I don't think someone would be able to say whether the amps are SS or tube. They just sound natural, musical, and right.

Now that this issue has been settled, I would also suggest that CD has surpassed vinyl....

Rtn1  (System | Reviews | Threads | Answers | This Thread)


09-22-10   Well, in 1985 there was the carver challenge , where bob ca ...   Auxetophone

09-22-10   my short answer is no. i’ve not heard a tube amp that sound ...   Blindjim

09-22-10   No such thing...   Jburidan

09-22-10   I erected sails on my power boat.still able to tell it was a ...   Markwatkiss

09-22-10   If your question is to distinguish a solid state amp from an ...   Ryder

09-22-10   I feel my roland model 6 amps come very close to the sound o ...   Rleff

09-22-10   Just wondering if the experts chiming in here saying emphati ...   Eric_stefko

09-22-10   I find the post regarding the "carver challenge" i ...   Gtortorella

09-22-10   Its a good question. i'm interested if more chirp in saying ...   Mapman

09-22-10   Again, this concept is missing the point. a system should no ...   Rtn1

09-22-10   Because i like vacum tubes ...........   Czbbcl

09-22-10   Well, there is no question that live acoustic music does not ...   Mapman

09-22-10   Ask bob carver.   Rrog

09-22-10   My understanding is that the thing that is inherently differ ...   Mapman

09-22-10   Oh, sure there are ss amps that sound like tubes. just read ...   Dan_ed

09-22-10   Maybe have a listen to pass labs. these could be the closest ...   Chadeffect

09-22-10   I have a tube amp which is somewhat unreliable--the vtl delu ...   Mrtennis

09-22-10   Yup .........cj premier 350 ........   Czbbcl

09-22-10   Mrtennis what speakers are you going to be driving?   Rleff

09-22-10   Plinius sa100mkiii came somewhat close to tubes. the midrang ...   Philjolet

09-22-10   This question persists amongst us, but i tend to agree with ...   Oregon

09-22-10   My experience is that a good ss amp (tonally - not bright) w ...   Jeffga

09-22-10   I posted a question to the recent tas golden ear club tele c ...   Peterayer

09-22-10   I would imagine the amps are not the primary bottlenecks to ...   Pubul57

09-22-10   Yes, i have. the situation was my office system. m&k pro des ...   Bob_reynolds

09-22-10   When i got started in this hobby in 1957it was all tubes, pl ...   Ferrari

09-22-10   i guess this question will be asked forever. in my experi ...   Dklk

09-22-10   I am a solid state guy because some things solid state does ...   Shay123

09-22-10   I still haven't heard a ss that sounds the same.   Hifihvn

09-22-10   "i have auditioned and owned some and have not enjoyed ...   Larkston_zinazpic

09-22-10   the anthem 225 int amp gets you very close to that "3d ...   Hifisoundguy

09-23-10   i feel tubes are getting more ss, but in a good way. the da ...   David12

09-23-10   Good / bad designs of both exist. it may not be easy to com ...   Magfan

09-23-10   Key point regarding amp match to speakers by magfan. for ex ...   Mapman

09-23-10   Agree with magfan and mapman 100%. choose the speaker you lo ...   Pubul57

09-23-10   I agree with pubul57 100%;don't get wrapped up in reviews a ...   Rleff

09-23-10   I am yet to hear a solid state amp that really sounds like a ...   Tzh21y

09-23-10   While listening to some avalon speakers at a dealership, i l ...   Phaelon

09-23-10   I have never bought speakers based on a solid state demo. i ...   6550c

09-23-10   nobody wants to talk about the problems you have with tube ...   Hifisoundguy

09-23-10   I am using quad esls and a magnepan 1.6. the problem , i ha ...   Mrtennis

09-23-10   what problems specifically?   Tvad

09-23-10   tvad, tube gear has reliability issues..bad solder joints, ...   Hifisoundguy

09-23-10   Hifisoundguy you really believe tube audio will fall to clas ...   Rleff

09-23-10   Hifisoundguy all the problems except tubes also occur in sol ...   Rleff

09-23-10   Are we going to debate whether tube gear is reliable? well, ...   Rtn1


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