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  Decware - any substance here?
With such a nice and extensively detailed website, I've long been curious about Decware. But with little in the way of genuine reviews, and not much in the way of discussion here, I always wonder if they are nothing more than that, a great website. They clearly have a dedicated fanbase, but my problem with the fanbase is this: most of them (not all of course) seem to have limited experience with products besides Decware, as if they stumbled upon Decware and never bothered with other brands. Maybe this is positive, that once experienced they don't have the typical audiophile itch to try other amps. I'm specifically struck by the new Torii MKIII push-pull amp, which in description and looks is just beautiful. So does it interest anyone here? Has anyone actually heard it, or it's previous incarnations? If so how does it rate amongst the other quality tube amps, whether Blue Circle, Cary, Vac, Almarro, Atma-Sphere, etc...?
Jtnicolosi  (Threads | Answers | This Thread)

09-03-10
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05-30-11   Would anybody be able to relate experiences comparing decwar ...   Cfluxa

05-31-11   I understand why a low profile designer/manufacturer, especi ...   Dies_irae

05-31-11: Scrubjay
I understand the interest in comparing Decware to other stuff, but I, like many Decware users are either long-time audiophiles, DIYers or/and musicians….a crowd that is accustomed to critical listening. I personally prefer to compare Decware to life. This is not the same as comparing gear, but it is the most valid comparator I can think of. I just want it to feel as real as I can get it without breaking the bank. I also want a certain level of flexibility within this "realness." This requires that special balance of detail, liquidity, tonal balance, weight, definition, openness and all those other things we try to describe sound we love with. But those things are never enough…..it needs that special indescribable quality that makes me happy and amazed when I listen. The final determinant: does it suck me in to the music.... am I fully engaged and captivated by the music? And this can't happen unless it sounds and feels extremely lucid and complete.

As to whether the Torii is too detailed. The amp is very detailed in every respect due to its quality, simple and synergistic design….it even uses regulator tubes in parallel for power filters. But is also liquid, slightly warm, and has deep and detailed bass….not cold. All delivered with speed and open, harmonically textured definition. If you look at the Decware forum, you will not find many Torii posts wanting more bass. For more, this amp taught us that more room treatment may be needed to utilize the amazing bass it offers. Anyway, I would call the detail real, not hard or clinical.

You also have five sets of tubes you can roll, so not to worry if the voicing from Decware (which is very good) needs adjustment to your tastes. It is a tribute to how revealing the amp is that all of them make big differences in my system. Even a 50s-60s tungsol OB3 reg compared to Sylvania OB3s of the same period are similar, but real choices…not to mention more apparent tubes like many available 6-type input tubes. And with the bass pots, treble cut knobs, bias and impedance switches, Decware starts us off well, but gives a lot of flexibility to tailor the amp to tastes.

Not that I want the amp to gather too much attention as it takes a while to get stuff as it is, but this might answer the question about Decware going to shows....it appears that they have more than enough to do as it is!

And yes I am biased, and glad I found them. Their design work suits my ears and budget.

Happy Listening!

Will
As to whether the Torii is too detailed. Not for me, but I am into detail. The amp is very detailed in every respect due to its simple and synergistic design, even using regulator tubes in parallel for power filters. But is also liquid, slightly warm, and finally, has kick assed bass. All delivered with speed, depth, texture, and open but not cold definition. If you look at the Decware forum, you will not find many Torii posts wanting more bass. For more, this amp taught us that more room treatment may be needed to utilize the amazing bass it offers. Anyway, I would call the detail real, not hard or clinical.

You also have five sets of tubes you can roll, so not to worry if the voicing from Decware (which is very good) needs adjustment to tastes. It is a tribute to how revealing the amp is that all of them make big differences in my system. Even a 50s-60s tungsol OB3 compared to Sylvania OB3s of the same period...not to mention more apparent tubes like the input tubes. And with the bass pots, treble cut knobs, bias and impedance switches, Decware starts you off well, but gives you a lot of flexibility to tailor the amp to tastes.

Not that I want the amp to gather too much attention as it takes a while to get stuff as it is, but this might answer the question about Decware going to shows....it appears that they have more than enough to do as it is!

And yea I am biased, my system is mostly Decware at this point, and I am glad I found them. Their design work suits my ears and budget.

Happy Listening!

Will

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05-31-11: Scrubjay
Sorry about the double post... I must have messed up.
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06-12-11   I own a decware system.i am currently using the select monob ...   Baggs

06-27-11   Decware? lots of substance there. about 10 years ago i purc ...   Mikes_inco

07-15-11   I'm using the torii 3 to drive a pair of zu soul superfly s ...   Gopher

07-15-11   Op, only thing left to do is try it.   Pubul57

07-19-11   I just replaced the stock fuse with a hifi tuning supreme an ...   Lacee

07-20-11   Question: how much heat does the zen tori throw off. i wen ...   Ajy55906

07-20-11   A lot hotter than a class d amp, yet cooler than a large cla ...   Pubul57

10-31-11   Just want to add my experience for the record. i have owned ...   Maprik

10-31-11   You use the built in attenuator? no csps?   Pubul57

11-07-11   I do not use the built in attenuator, there are two rca inpu ...   Lacee

03-07-12   This is all very exciting to me, as i am waiting for my tori ...   Douger

03-08-12   Hope you enjoy :)   Pubul57

06-11-12   First, i am sorry that pubul57 is no longer with us since 4- ...   Douger

06-16-12   I bought a zen se84cs kit some years ago to run with the kli ...   Hdrider

06-20-12   I have a decware csp2+ headphone amp paired with a set of be ...   Lordsoth

06-21-12   Those tubes are almost impossible to find.   Sberger

06-23-12   The op back in 2010 mentions no genuine reviews. there is o ...   Jeff_ss

07-27-12   I have only owned solid state amps that cost a bit more than ...   Samelung

07-31-12   Now that i have had my torii mkiii for nearly two months, i ...   Douger

09-05-12   I'm strongly considering the torii mk iii, but i'm in a deli ...   Hygienist

09-06-12   The torii by itself is not a romantic sounding amp and proba ...   Gopher

09-15-12   Hygienist, i am a vocal junkie. the torri is incredible with ...   Orangecrush

09-15-12   Orangecrush: i had almost the exact same tube compliment an ...   Morganc

09-15-12   Has anyone heard the new torii monos?? impressions?   Weebeesdad

09-16-12   They were just announced this week and since decware has a t ...   Morganc

09-16-12   Hi morganc, the website say the soul superfy's use the zu260 ...   Orangecrush

09-16-12   Forgot to add, i had my torri built with 16 ohm and 8 ohm tr ...   Orangecrush

09-16-12   Yes the ho drivers are the ones that i had with my omen defs ...   Morganc

09-18-12   I have never heard the decware amps but i do have one of the ...   Zaphodbeeblebrox

09-10-13   Gopher, did you buy a tori mk 3 with vcaps, just wondering. ...   Jwt

10-30-13   I can't speak for your experience but i have asked decware a ...   Samelung

10-31-13   I have several hundred hours on my torii, and it works flawl ...   Psag

11-04-13   yes, lots of substance at decware. the only product of the ...   Dklk

12-27-13   I ordered a decware se84ckc 2 watt zen in early oct--it was ...   2a3nut

01-20-14   I am having my csp2+ decware pre-amp upgraded to the newly a ...   Snapontom


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