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  Lightspeed Attenuator - Best Preamp Ever?
The question is a bit rhetorical. No preamp is the best ever, and much depends on system context. I am starting this thread beacuase there is a lot of info on this preamp in a Music First Audio Passive...thread, an Slagle AVC Modules...thread and wanted to be sure that information on this amazing product did not get lost in those threads.

I suspect that many folks may give this preamp a try at $450, direct from Australia, so I thought it would be good for current owners and future owners to have a place to describe their experience with this preamp.

It is a passive preamp that uses light LEDs, rather than mechanical contacts, to alter resistance and thereby attenuation of the source signal. It has been extremely hot in the DIY community, since the maker of this preamp provided gernerously provided information on how to make one. The trick is that while there are few parts, getting it done right, the matching of the parts is time consuming and tricky, and to boot, most of use would solder our fingers together if we tried. At $450, don't bother. It is cased in a small chassis that is fully shielded alloy, it gets it's RF sink earth via the interconnects. Vibration doesn't come into it as there is nothing to get vibrated as it's passive, even the active led's are immune as they are gas element, no filaments. The feet I attach are soft silicon/sorbethane compound anyway just in case.

This is not audio jewelry with bling, but solidly made and there is little room (if any) for audionervosa or tweaking.

So is this the best preamp ever? It might be if you have a single source (though you could use a switch box), your source is 2v or higher, your IC from pre-amp to amp is less than 2m to keep capaitance low, your amp is 5kohm input or higher (most any tube amp), and your amp is relatively sensitive (1v input sensitivity or lower v would be just right). In other words, within a passive friendly system (you do have to give this some thought), this is the finest passive preamp I have ever heard, and I have has many ranging form resistor-based to TVCs and AVCs.

In my system, with my equipment, I think it is the best I have heard passive or active, but I lean towards prefering preamp neutrality and transparency, without loosing musicality, dynamics, or the handling of low bass and highs.

If you own one, what are your impressions versus anything you have heard?

Is it the best ever? I suspect for some it may be, and to say that for a $450 product makes it stupidgood.
Pubul57  (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)

06-12-10
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01-01-11   Knghifi, i made the exact same point on this thread a while ...   Grannyring

01-01-11   I am sure i would like the vac too:)   Pubul57

01-01-11   Reminds me of my conversation with ken stevens when i picked ...   Pubul57

01-01-11   Perhaps a good way to look at this topic is as follows; let ...   Grannyring

01-01-11   This is not regarding the lsa since it is really about as &q ...   Pubul57

01-01-11   Wow isn't this fun. nothing i'd rather be doing new years da ...   Clio09

01-01-11   Clio0, very nice paragraph on additive characteristics and d ...   Tvad

01-01-11   or as my fellow nutmegger samuel clemens once wrote: "i ...   Swampwalker

01-01-11   Clio09, nice job indeed and i have a question for you and al ...   Grannyring

01-01-11   If i can take this tube microphonics a step further for thos ...   Georgelofi

01-01-11   just to add to my previous post on microphonic tubes, if yo ...   Georgelofi

01-01-11   well, i think there is a lot more to it than meets the eye. ...   Clio09

01-01-11   Wow!! out shopping and dinner and missing all the fun. fo ...   Knghifi

01-01-11   Yep clio09 your points on the high end builders are interest ...   Grannyring

01-01-11   I will try george's tube test soon. grannyring it's not my ...   Georgelofi

01-01-11   Knghfli - no, i kept the atma-sphere preamp, ideal match wit ...   Pubul57

01-02-11   Have enjoyed reading this thread from the very start, so her ...   Teajay

01-02-11   There is something to be said for those that have a convicti ...   Clio09

01-01-11   Tube test complete - no ringing or any bad noises at all. li ...   Grannyring

01-02-11   Hi clio09, i too have great respect for ralph karsten's desi ...   Teajay

01-02-11   I think terry is a very gifted listener and reviewer with ex ...   Pubul57

01-02-11   so, i still believe that the way this piece is being " ...   Clio09

01-02-11   Very well said teajay. thanks to paul/pubul for stimulating ...   Agear

01-02-11   Well, tubes definitely do "something" i like, my a ...   Pubul57

01-02-11   Hi paul, thanks for your kind words towards me. as to be exp ...   Teajay

01-02-11   I think we can all agree in that in many ways nelson pass is ...   Pubul57

01-02-11   Pubul57, you a good guy. thanks for having a good sense of ...   Knghifi

01-03-11   Teajay, i haven't for a moment felt that georgelofi was &qu ...   Fiddler

01-03-11   Please fiddler, accusation has such a negative and bombastic ...   Teajay

01-03-11   Nelson pass indeed has given a lot to this community as is e ...   Clio09

01-03-11   Teajay, you posted, "i have no historical awareness tha ...   Fiddler

01-03-11   Fiddler, if you think i have been nefarious and bombastic to ...   Teajay

01-03-11   Teajay, i get the problem now. you aren't carefully reading ...   Fiddler

01-03-11: Pubul57
Knowing Terry as I do, I suspect it was not his intention to falsely accuse anyone, though it may have come off that way a bit, one could also feel George comes on strong in support of his product, because he does - he is a true believer, but I don't get the sense he's motivated by "making a killing".

It is also frustrating to have the "impedance mismatch" thrown out as reason why you might prefer a $$$$ line stage, but some times that is true, and some times it is just a preference for a certain kind of sound. Terry is certainly open to passives, he (and Roger Modjeski and Anthony - Clio9) is the one who took me in this direction, so I don't think he has any bias towards passives, though he had a TVC and Buffered passive which would have addressed impedance matching. He then moved on to a series of tubed linestages that he preferred, and he listens to a lot of good gear.

Now, in my system I happen to prefer the passive to the actives I have owned (I won't list them:)) - but I suspect, but don't know, that the fact I use a tube amp is one of the reasons. When it comes down to it we like what we like, and we all hear a bit differently and listen for different things. But, I still like the "theory" behind a passive that minimally alters what was recorded (even though the recording itself is an artifact of the microphones used, and the electronics used in the recording chain - that "manipulation" is at least in the recording engineers hands and part of the creative process) - none of this is live or "absolute" afterall.

On the subject of shilling, I never mind a manufacturer promoting his ideas as long as it is clear he is the manufacturer. We know where they are coming from and they are subjecting their view to public examination and comment (and criticism) - nothing is hidden. I do mind dealers for a product not identifying themselves. Relatives or friends of the designer not revealing that relationship. Or even folks that defend a product they happen to own and make claims for that product that they don't quite believe but knowing one day they will have to sell that product on AGON - wouldn't be prudent to say anything negative about the product till it is out of their hands. I am none of the above, I simply think the LSA in the right system is awfully good, and a great value.

Nelson Pass does not need to come on AGON, he has 10,000s of very satisfied customers with some of the best gear on the ever made to speak for him. He saves himself for the DIY community, as did George. My feeling is George believes in his product and is excited to see that some folks have discovered his product and like it as much as he does - hard not to find some satisfaction in that.

Pubul57  (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)


01-03-11   "best gear on the planet..." i meant to say.   Pubul57

01-03-11   Ok, please don’t yell at me fiddler. please read george’s po ...   Grannyring

01-03-11   . . . now that that school yard bickering is finished ;) let ...   Kevinzoe

01-03-11   i don't have any problem with people disagreeing or voicing ...   Clio09

01-03-11   I guess we will not, nor can we. resolve the issues of what ...   Pubul57

01-03-11   without a source he isn't going to be able to listen to his ...   Clio09

01-03-11   Details! details! mac and wyred 4 sound dac - he does not kn ...   Pubul57

01-03-11   Clio09 i assumed my point was clear. sorry. yes that was th ...   Grannyring

01-03-11   thanks for clarifying. we can agree to disagree on this one ...   Clio09

01-03-11   I don't have an issue with george attracting sale via agon t ...   Knghifi

01-03-11   Clio09 no problem. enjoy the music!   Grannyring

01-03-11   Knghifi wish he could answer some of my questions. i'm stil ...   Georgelofi

01-03-11   Which shiraz?   Pubul57

01-04-11   George, if they don't get that explanation, they ain't gonn ...   Fiddler

01-04-11   every component has a sonic signature. it's not bad or goo ...   Knghifi

01-04-11   If you like the grape, you'll like the wine 98% of time, no ...   Pubul57


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