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  who wants tone controls on your next preamp?
I can remeber tone controls. They used to be on preamps, and integrated amplifiers. Then somehow, they vanished. I KNOW why they say they got rid of them, but really i think it was so cable manufacturers could sell billions of dollars worth of cables. Anyone else also notice tone controls disappeared same time as we all started to need 'special cables'? it's a plot!
I want tone control back on my stuff.
How about you?
Of course, they would have to be defeatable.
Elizabeth  (Threads | Answers | This Thread)

05-19-10
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05-19-10   Don't need em or want em myself. they add distortion just li ...   Rwwear

05-19-10   I have a spare carver c6 pre-amp that i am not using with so ...   Mapman

05-19-10   Imho the anti-tone control crowd is blind to the fact that e ...   Herman

05-19-10   I also have a carver c-9 sonic hologram generator, and a dbx ...   Zydo

05-19-10   Zydo, equating antiquated devices like those you mentioned w ...   Herman

05-19-10   Given the choice, i'd choose to have them provided the circu ...   Tvad

05-19-10   My preamp allows me to have different sound levels for left ...   Uru975

05-20-10   It is a fact that at low volume our ears are less sensitive ...   Tgrisham

05-20-10   Old fashioned, cheap treble and bass tone controls were drop ...   Samujohn

05-20-10   Mcintosh still uses them and when placed in the nuetral posi ...   Theo

05-20-10   To drunk to read what's been posted, but if you want tone or ...   Gslone

05-20-10   Tgrisham, "it is a fact that at low volume our ears a ...   Rrog

05-20-10: Kirkus
I do . . . actually a modern, high-quality tone control arrangement is something I've been working on for some time.

Herman is quite correct in the fact that high-quality equalisation is a necessity in many parts of the recording chain, and anybody that has experience with top-shelf professional equalisers can attest to the fact that equipment indeed can be designed that sacrifices nothing in transparency, detail, noise, distortion, musicality, etc. etc. in order to perform its task. But these units are also available in seemingly endless configurations, each suited to specific applications and engineers' preferences, and virtually all of them must be used skillfully and judiciously to get positive results.

The challange in a high-end audio context is to get just the right amount of adjustability in just the right ways . . . so that the desired, significant improvement can be made the vast majority of the time in just a few seconds. I've used several graphic and parametric mastering EQs in my various systems over the years, as well as a smattering of recording-console channel strip EQs, all semi-parametric in some fashion or another. From this I come to the conclusion that the "knob-count" should be 3-5, settings should be easily repeatable (especially for frequency/turnover), and work identically on both stereo channels. More than five controls starts getting really fiddly, and fewer than three . . . you might just as well have the Baxandall circuits.

I also feel that some frequency-variability is necessary . . . simple five-to-seven-band graphics (i.e. McIntosh) never seem to have the bands quite where they're needed, and using two adjacent bands together usually starts messing things up. Narrower graphics with variable-slope or "constant-Q" filters also IMO start sounding heavy-handed.

Meyer Sound used to make a simple 1U EQ called the VX-1 that was my favorite of the bunch, although it has dual-mono controls and everything's continuous (no repeatabilty). Five knobs . . . low/mid/high with variable turnovers, all constant-slope single-order (6dB/octave). It had sensible range (+6 to -12 IIRC) that precludes the need for making master gain adjustments.

Kirkus  (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)


05-20-10   . if someone could make a transparent eq for my ref3 i'd lov ...   Mitch4t

05-20-10   This is the classic study done in the 50's regarding perceiv ...   Tgrisham

05-20-10   If we can put a man on the moon, we can build gear with tone ...   Glenfihi

05-20-10   "i also have a carver c-9 sonic hologram generator, and ...   Mapman

05-20-10   They can make tone controls that work well but they are digi ...   Rwwear

05-20-10   Yes. defeatable tone controls. i say bring them back. poor r ...   Mcfarland

05-20-10   Agreed that use of adjustable subs alleviate the value of o ...   Mapman

05-20-10   I wopuld like to have them, but i don't think it was a consp ...   Cyclonicman

05-20-10   "fer sure dude". my yamaha cx1 had them & i do mi ...   Jsd52756

05-20-10   "for ten big ones they oughta be able to put one in the ...   Mapman

05-20-10   Don't need them; don't want them. and i don't want to pay f ...   Almarg

05-20-10   In addition to tone controls, a must is a balance control.   Buconero117

05-20-10   Would really like to see tone controls make a come back..... ...   Sympaticonorm

05-20-10   I want recording engineers to make recordings that don't req ...   Unsound

05-20-10   This can be done well if you have a competant amp designer.i ...   Fromunda

05-20-10   Fwiw, i was never able to detect distortion as a result of h ...   Mapman

05-20-10   Plenty of preamp choices with tape in/out. with a tape loop ...   Vicdamone

05-20-10   First tone controls obviously add color, there is devices in ...   Undertow

05-20-10   i don't think there's a cable company that has that much in ...   Tpreaves

05-20-10   An audiophile and tone controls should not be in the same se ...   Orpheus10

05-20-10   Be honest, some audiophiles don't have the intelligence to p ...   Onhwy61

05-20-10   Zydo, i had a phase linear 4000 designed by bob carver with ...   Orpheus10

05-20-10   "don't need them; don't want them. and i don't want to ...   Kijanki

05-20-10   The last time i recall actually using the tone controls when ...   Mapman

05-20-10   Onhwy61, you hit the nail on the head. if most audiophiles h ...   Carlos269

05-20-10   Carlos269- you are so right. we are lemmings into the sea! ...   Tgrisham

05-20-10   If your preamp/amp has inserts, or a tape loop/monitor arran ...   Coolhand

05-20-10   Carlos, why did you wait until i spent so much money on gear ...   Kclone

05-21-10   If you go to a quality steak house type restaurant you'll al ...   Onhwy61

05-21-10   Kclone, i understand where you are coming from. i also start ...   Carlos269

05-21-10   Yes, one way to look at it is that you are at the mercy of t ...   Mapman

05-21-10   It is quite apparent that all of the people who want tone co ...   Orpheus10

05-21-10   Orpheus, what do you think microphone positioning does? furt ...   Carlos269

05-21-10   onhwy61's analogy is excellent, and actually one that i use ...   Kirkus

05-21-10   I have tone controls on my mcintosh c2300. they are complete ...   Hififile

05-21-10   No tone or balance controls in my system. i do miss the bal ...   Daverz

05-21-10   The posts on this thread are driving me into "coniption ...   Orpheus10


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