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  Power output of tube amps compared to solid states
I'm having a hard time trying to figure out how tube amp power output relates to solid state power output. I've been looking at the classifieds for tube amps and I see lots of tube amps with 50w or 60w output, but nothing close to the 250w output typical of solid state amps.

So I have no idea what type of tube amp is required for my set up, right now I'm using totem forests with a required power rating of 150w-200w at 8ohms. The bass is so powerful on these that I have the sub crossover set to 40hz.

My question is, are tube amps so efficient that 50w from a tube sounds like 150w from a solid state? Or will 50w output from a tube severely limit how loud I can play my speakers? If so, are tubes usually meant to be driving super-high efficiency speakers?

I had previously tried a tube pre-amp with a solid state power amp (both musical fidelity) and didn't like the results because the imaging suffered greatly, even though the music sounded nicer from a distance. Now I want to try a solid state pre-amp (bryston) with a tube power amp (no idea which brand to look at), but I don't know how much power output I need or if it will even be possible with my speakers. Does anyone know what I would require?
Acrossley  (Threads | This Thread)

03-07-10
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03-07-10   I have wondered the same thing as i am looking to replace my ...   Stereo5

03-07-10   A tube amp can typically 'sound louder' than it's specified ...   Dividebytube

03-07-10   I have owned several pairs of dynaco mkiii monos and i have ...   Rrog

03-07-10   While there are no universal absolute rules, a common differ ...   Mlsstl

03-08-10   Tubes have high output impedance so they need transformer to ...   Marakanetz

03-08-10   Sorry, marakanetz, that explanation is not correct. first of ...   Atmasphere

03-08-10   The why rather than the how: 1) instantaneous power as it ...   Aball

03-08-10   Atmasphere, my due respect to your otls, they are money-no-o ...   Marakanetz

03-09-10   Marakanetz, not to be on your case or anything but while we ...   Atmasphere

03-09-10   Rrog - i was talking 'peak' power, not steady state. http ...   Dividebytube

03-09-10   unfortunately i don't believe this term has a standard defin ...   Mlsstl

03-09-10   I remember hear a 30 watt tube amp "versus" a 250 ...   Pubul57

03-09-10   Here's an interesting tale, at least to me: i have a pair o ...   Br3098

03-09-10   Br3098, try it, you never know- for sure it will work with a ...   Atmasphere

03-10-10   Ralph, i just might do that. it's a smallish room - i don't ...   Br3098

03-10-10   Acrossley; just to chime in, power is power period. and po ...   Minorl

03-10-10: Atmasphere
Br3098, I appreciate the humor but seriously, the heat of our amps is quite manageable. Up here in Minnesota we see the highest dewpoints recorded anywhere worldwide and our amps are easy to live with even in the summer. However the heat comes from being class A, not the number of tubes. You can run the amp in Standby all day and at the end of the day, put your hand on the tubes without fear of burns. But from stone cold, within a minute the tubes are way too hot to touch because they are conducting.

IOW a solid state amp of the same power that is also class A will heat up your room in much the same way- it will make about 85% of the same heat. The real issue is, what do you want the system to sound like? Real music? If so, you are going to have to go class A- all other classes of operation are performance compromises.

Now it may be that you can find nice-sounding amps that are not class A, in fact they abound. But the very best, the ones that stand apart- they will be class A.

Atmasphere  (Threads | Answers | This Thread)


03-11-10   Sorry for confusing, but i'm not speaking in terms of chaoti ...   Marakanetz

03-11-10   I also absolutely agree and even sure that larger drivers ar ...   Marakanetz

03-12-10   Arthur (aball), i'd like to both thank and congratulate you ...   Trelja

03-12-10   Hey joe - thanks! i knew only a few would care but i wasn't ...   Aball

03-12-10   Arthur are you trying to say that at certain moment of time ...   Marakanetz

03-12-10   Oh marakanetz. i'm not sure i can help. believe it or not, ...   Aball

03-13-10   Honestly, arthur, these two you have submitted are among the ...   Trelja

03-13-10   Wow. now this is good reading.   Pubul57

03-13-10   Ralph, thanks for your response. i am seriously considerin ...   Br3098

03-14-10   Great post there joe. about your comment that class a opera ...   Aball

03-15-10   Arthur, i just switched from a class-b (push-pull) tube amp ...   Layman

03-15-10   Arthur, thank you for the insight, i appreciate it. there's ...   Trelja

03-15-10   Arther, i quite enjoyed your post as well (and previous) but ...   Paulfolbrecht

03-16-10   Br3098, they can be excellent help if the load impedance is ...   Atmasphere

03-16-10   Oh yes, sorry for the confusion, paul is right. i had se cl ...   Aball

03-16-10   There is a scientific explanation as to why class-a amps sou ...   Orpheus10

03-16-10   Power output i believe, regardless of amp technology used, t ...   Mapman

03-16-10   Orpheus10 and mapman, the reason tubes seem more powerful ha ...   Atmasphere

03-16-10   Atmasphere. no further clarification needed on my behalf. ...   Mapman

03-16-10   I am going to jump into this "tower of babel" with ...   Orpheus10

03-16-10   I have to believe science plays a role here, there is still ...   Pubul57

03-16-10   I think it is useful to differentiate between matters of opi ...   Paulfolbrecht

03-16-10   I found very interesting work that was done by a group of ru ...   Aball

03-16-10   03-16-10: paulfolbrecht furthermore, and much more important ...   Audiofeil

03-16-10   Orpheus10, the reason it seems subjective is only because th ...   Atmasphere

03-17-10   I don't have the scientific background that many here obviou ...   Unsound

03-17-10   My understanding from the experts is not that tubes are more ...   Mapman

03-17-10   What's hotter, 85° in miami, or 85° in phoenix? some would ...   Tvad

03-17-10   Mapman, that is as succinct an explanation as i have ever he ...   Atmasphere

03-17-10   Mapman, atmasphere, not everyone take offense to the same th ...   Unsound

03-17-10   Unsound, that is true. i suppose that could be one reason ...   Mapman

03-17-10   Unsound, what is meant by offense is not really a matter of ...   Atmasphere

03-17-10   Atmasphere, your points are well taken but, i'm doubt that t ...   Unsound


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