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  Power output of tube amps compared to solid states
I'm having a hard time trying to figure out how tube amp power output relates to solid state power output. I've been looking at the classifieds for tube amps and I see lots of tube amps with 50w or 60w output, but nothing close to the 250w output typical of solid state amps.

So I have no idea what type of tube amp is required for my set up, right now I'm using totem forests with a required power rating of 150w-200w at 8ohms. The bass is so powerful on these that I have the sub crossover set to 40hz.

My question is, are tube amps so efficient that 50w from a tube sounds like 150w from a solid state? Or will 50w output from a tube severely limit how loud I can play my speakers? If so, are tubes usually meant to be driving super-high efficiency speakers?

I had previously tried a tube pre-amp with a solid state power amp (both musical fidelity) and didn't like the results because the imaging suffered greatly, even though the music sounded nicer from a distance. Now I want to try a solid state pre-amp (bryston) with a tube power amp (no idea which brand to look at), but I don't know how much power output I need or if it will even be possible with my speakers. Does anyone know what I would require?
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03-07-10
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04-11-10   This particular paper is interesting, but very dated . . . a ...   Kirkus

04-11-10   Thaks shadorne, that explasins what bobby was talking about, ...   Pubul57

04-11-10   indeed, a critically damped acoustic suspension speaker doe ...   Shadorne

04-11-10   Shadorne, a long time ago i remember reading(though for the ...   Unsound

04-11-10   Hi unsound . . . it's not so much a matter of whether or not ...   Kirkus

04-11-10: Shadorne
Another way to think of damping is that a high damping amp "shorts" the speaker woofer voice coil when the signal is "zero" - this means that the voice coil current is maximized (sees least resistance) in response to the movement of the coil through the magnetic field which creates the strongest possible back emf which opposes the coil movement and acts as a "damper" for as long as it takes the coil to come to rest. The more powerful the magnetic field (magnet size/weight) and the bigger the diameter of the voice coil and lighter the cone weight then the better an amplifier is able to tightly control a woofer. (This is why large 4 inch voice coils that are very short (light weight) and sit in a long powerful magnet gap are so desirable. These are extremely expensive as well with a quality 12 inch woofer costing around $1000 and weighing about 25 lbs or more.

Of course at resonance, the impedance of the voice coil rises and electrical damping is not as powerful and that is where the "acoustic suspension" design becomes critical to how the speaker will sound.

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04-11-10   i would add that outside of pro applications these kind of ...   Shadorne

04-12-10   My understanding is that a woofer's electrical damping is de ...   Audiokinesis

04-12-10   [/quote] in other words, most prosound woofers are overdampe ...   Shadorne

04-12-10   What are the virtues of a dc-coupled amplifier like the atma ...   Pubul57

04-12-10   excellent point - they also tend to have lower mechanical ma ...   Kirkus

04-12-10   Pubul57, there's no shortage of material on the web that con ...   Kirkus

04-12-10   i would also add that amplifier tight control is a good thi ...   Shadorne

04-12-10   You're precisely correct shadorne . . . and that's why in th ...   Kirkus

04-12-10   Pubul57, kirkus has been right on all his points but one- i' ...   Atmasphere

04-12-10   Kirkus wrote: "the problem with increasing the amplifi ...   Audiokinesis

04-12-10   Duke, which of your speaker designs is best for a room 11x18 ...   Pubul57

04-13-10   Pubul57, i'd rather go offline with that to avoid taking the ...   Audiokinesis

04-13-10   Makes sense. we'll talk.   Pubul57

04-13-10   Kirkus, shadorne, and unsound, i really appreciate your inpu ...   Atmasphere

04-13-10   Atmasphere and duke too, i think it's us (well at least i ca ...   Unsound

04-13-10   on the power rules front i think that provided a speaker is ...   Shadorne

04-13-10   A bit off topic here, but, if a speaker manufacturer needs t ...   Unsound

04-13-10   you mean like infinity or a totem mani 2 or a mbl ...well i ...   Shadorne

04-14-10   Are "poorly" designed speakers by your definition, ...   Pubul57

04-14-10   Unsound, i think the 'harm' comes in when the speaker requir ...   Atmasphere

04-14-10   It seems there is no single model or paradigm that can accou ...   Mapman

04-14-10   ah, unsound . . . this is the crux of the matter. atmaspher ...   Kirkus

04-14-10   atmasphere, i'm not sure that many speakers actually necess ...   Unsound

04-14-10   Two different recipes that both can produce some very good s ...   Mapman

04-14-10   In the last 20 years the use of sets has really increased a ...   Atmasphere

04-14-10   Atmasphere, i wasn't talking about those kind of speakers. i ...   Unsound

04-14-10   If i may steer this thread a bit back to the original questi ...   Kirkus

04-15-10   Kirkus, thanks! your explanation of longer duration of headr ...   Unsound

04-16-10   Kirkus, "the particular set of energy-storage dynamics ...   Trelja

04-16-10   Do tubes have the same "advantage" in preamplifier ...   Pubul57

04-16-10   "do tubes have the same "advantage" in preamp ...   Mapman

04-16-10   I think they do. it would be really tricky to build a zero-f ...   Atmasphere

04-16-10   There are many here much more qualified than i am to answer ...   Unsound

04-16-10   Trelja, thanks for the kind words. unsound, are you referri ...   Kirkus

04-16-10   no. tube preamp stages almost universally operate in class ...   Kirkus

04-17-10   @ralph: found you comment about the mbl101e's interesting. ...   Myles_b_astor

04-19-10   Myles, the mbl has an impedance peak of about 8-9 ohms in th ...   Atmasphere

04-22-10   What a incredible collection of very high-tech posts! you gu ...   Emorrisiv

04-22-10   Always thought the acoustats were designed around the " ...   Pubul57

04-22-10   I have heard them with tubes and they make magic.ss is surel ...   Emorrisiv

04-22-10   Emorrisiv, i've heard the acoustats sound great with a set o ...   Atmasphere

04-23-10   Of course acoustat made ss amps to go with their speakers.   Unsound

04-23-10   Yes, just as they also made a dedicated tube otl-powered spe ...   Atmasphere

04-23-10   Yes, there were older acoustats with dedicated otl's, but th ...   Unsound

04-23-10   No doubt the m60s are quality watts:)   Pubul57

05-03-10   No doubt at all   Emorrisiv

05-15-10   If you have any doubt, then look at what hp has to say about ...   Angela100

05-22-10   Angela, i have stopped all my subscriptions because of the w ...   Emorrisiv


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