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09-24-09
Edge,symphonic line or a used nrg control 201/401. Tpsonic
09-24-09
Cary cad 500mb jc1 Ajackson1
09-24-09
Second the symphonic line either the rg4 monoblk or the kraf ... Ras422
09-24-09
I agree with ajackson, try a cary ss amp. they just release ... Jim_swantko
09-24-09
Mcintosh mc602 600 watts @ 2 ohms without burping and enough ... Klipschfan
09-24-09
In the"great bang for the buck" category, consider ... Bbro
09-24-09
The cary cad 500 mb's as stated above, or the sanders sound ... Macdadtexas
09-24-09
I would pick the bryston that best fits your power needs. a ... Sm2727
09-25-09
I would second the use of odyssey stratos "mono" e ... Wizard454
09-25-09
For low frequencies, the odysseys are an obvious choice; bry ... Gregm
09-25-09
Check into sim amps. also edge. good suggestions above too ... Kclone
09-25-09
I also second your idea of using a ss amp for the bass. i ... M297904
09-25-09
why not simply buy a very nice sub? it should run you less ... Blindjim
09-25-09
Ps. those twin tweeters will definitely like the butler. ha ... Blindjim
09-25-09
Albert von schweikerts developed all his speakers using very ... Dob
09-25-09
I own vr5 hse's and for years have happily been using a krel ... Nglazer
09-25-09
I had a similar problem with my vr4jrs and solved the proble ... Jgiacalo
09-25-09
Pass labs, plinius, spectron, levinson, bat. i'd suggest bu ... Tvad
09-25-09
Pass labs, plinius, spectron, levinson, bat. i'd suggest bu ... Tvad
09-25-09
I have tried almost all of the amps mentioned above and owne ... Jeffga
09-25-09
Interesting that jeffga finds the vs speakers dark. i though ... Tvad
09-25-09
Wyred 4 sound will kick *ss! Lak
09-25-09
Mccormack has some very nice sounding amps, high current too Tbromgard
09-25-09
I 2nd blindjim's recommendation. i have vr4's and it's easie ... Jig
09-25-09
There are several models of vr4, and they perform quite diff ... Tvad
09-25-09
Yes tvad, they are vr4 gen iii hse's. i first thought i woul ... Russe41
09-25-09
Lots of possibilities used ~$3000. here are some examples: ... Tvad
09-25-09
Please! it's the bass units. you need power and high damping ... Jw94055
09-25-09
Btw, i agree 100% with jw94055. i listed amps that fit the ... Tvad
09-26-09: Blindjim
16x28x18? Whoa! 8000 cu ft. plus! That's a lot of room. I'll presume it is closed off.
Not having those bass drivers in an enclosure isn't helping you much either. But then they have another sound all to their own.
Speedy fast subs... maybe even Vandy's? VSA & VDS are similarly constructed right? cloth wraps over enclosed constructs?
The VR4 Gen III I had my KAV 250 on was not that large as I said above but it was really big. Even in the nearfield I didn't care for the bass the Gen IIIs put out. Listening in the pre-arranged sweet spot, I thought to myself after about an hour... is this what one gets for over $6K cash!?
But then, I'm kind of a bass junkie. Kind of. It's not my end all be all but I prefer to have it as to not have it. And if 'had', I'd prefer it to have some impact too... as bass should in many cases.
Before leaving the dealership I was pointed into another smaller room closer to that of my own... about 15x19x8 and VR4JRs were playing already. the diff was night and day. So were the electronics... but far far, less power... only 30wpc tube monos were pushing the vSA speakers.
though it wasn't terribly tight bass it was surely more prominent and enjoyable.
Personally, I don't think an amp or a sub is your ticket now.
Try two subs.... and some treatments.
I eventually added a BAT VK500 w/BAT pk dual mono Ss amp to those VR4 JRs. Did it improve the bass output or presence?
yes. Easily.
Was it dynamic and naturally hard hitting? Nope. had to use a sub. Did it soothe the highs? Nope. had to add a tubed preamp.
Even with nearfield listening, if bass is important to you, I don't feel you will be satisfied with simply another amp. The room, I don't think will allow sufficient pressurization for any significant impact. Tone, perhaps yes. But that hit you in the chest feeling? Speed? Nope. I'd bet aginst it.
I'll stand by my note on the Butler TDB 2250 new for $3000. Nearing 400 wpc into 4 and stable into 2. But I'd sure be thinking of adding a pair of EQ'able subs. The Butler amps use the same output MOS FETs, Sankens, as do the Odyssey amps and it shows, as I have both amps... Stratos Plus + and the 5150 5ch Butler. yet the Butler does outshine the Stratos amp clearly, noticeably and with more slam down low. In other areas too, especially the upper mids and top end.
The past few nights I ran the 5150 sans sub. Hooked it up last night to see the diff... Slam. Impact. Pressure. Those were the diffs.
the Butler with sub, across the bandwidth it exceeded the Odyssey amp easily. Naturally it was also outputing more power I presume... and/or acted as though it were.
My room BTW is <2400 cu ft. Closed off.
There is indeed a diff from developing a signal of say 16 to 30 Hz so you can hear it... if you can... and developing a signal in that area wherein you can feel it. Personally, I need a Bass test CD to Discern tones accurately under 40-50hz.
Bass, really good bass is felt IMO, as well as percieved. One other attribute to it is it makes that above it better set, and more delish'. it does.. really.
As good as your 'Cs' are, your rooms cu ft is eating them up down low. Spending that $3K on a pair of Rels, Vels, JL's, Vandy's, etc. and a little work will be the short cut to a better bottom end. the addition of another (replacement) amp likely will help too.
If only one choice is made for that 3K, I'm gonna vote sub (s). Do one and see... Who knows? Hopefully....
Very good luck to you
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09-26-09
Blindjim, i was not aware you owned vr4 gen iii. i thought y ... Tvad
09-26-09
Tvad, didn't mean to put down your amp picks if future syste ... Jw94055
09-26-09
Jw94055, i didn't think you were putting down my picks. i ju ... Tvad
09-26-09
Tvad review my post... i believe i said i previewed (auditio ... Blindjim
09-26-09
Blindjim, as i read a couple paragraphs further, i saw you m ... Tvad
09-27-09
listened to both the gen iiis, and 4jrs at the same dealers ... Blindjim
09-28-09
Mccormack dna 225s can be had cheap with the launch of the d ... Oddiofyl
09-28-09
The nrg 401 just popped up for sale:400w/ch.will drive a 1 o ... Tpsonic
10-11-09
Russe41:what amp did you decide upon? Tpsonic
10-12-09
I bought a mac mc352,hope it fits the bill. it should get go ... Russe41
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