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So the talk about the sonic effects of fuses got way out of hand, and I would like to know some details from those who have actually tried the boutique audio fuses. So if you have, please let us know any of the following:

1. What value (ampere rating) were you using, and was it fast or slow-blow (time delay)? Time-delay fuses usually have a letter 'T' in their rating, like "T2.5A" is a 2.5 ampere, slow-blow fuse.

2. Does anybody have a reasonably decent ohmmeter, and could you measure the difference in resistance between the boutique fuse and the standard one? If you measure, be sure to subtract the resistance of your test leads. Of course, if somebody has an impedance analyzer, I'd love to see that data . . .

3. What position is this used in? That is, on the AC line, or after the transformer, after the rectifier, etc.?

4. Has anybody had occasional fuse-blowing with the stock fuse, and replaced it with a boutique fuse, and had the boutique fuse blow? Did the failure patterns seem similar to both types?

5. Has anybody made any performance measurements on their equipment with various types of fuses?

So I'm hypothesizing about some ways in which fuses could affect circuit performance, and there are two things I can think of. First, if silver wire is used, then since silver has a lower melting point than copper, the fuse resistance *could* possibly be lower for a given rating. Also, many slow-blow fuses seem to have a resistive element wound around a central core, so it's possible that these could be inductive as well. So what could that mean in a circuit?

First, for a slow-blow line-fuse application, where there is an AC input filter, adding/changing resistance/reactance in the AC line could affect the Q of the input filter, and if this unit was RF suceptible or had a switch-mode power supply, the fuse could therefore affect RF emisions or suceptibility.

Second, many power amplifiers have no snubber capacitors on their rectifiers, and also use fuses for the power-transformer secondary. It's possible here that changing the reactive/resistive characteristics of the fuse could slightly change the switching speed of the rectifier diodes, and affect the diodes' RF emissions.

Third, some power amplifiers use fuses on the DC rails, after the filter capacitors. In this case, it's easy to see how fuse resistance could influence the amplifier performance.

Fourth, if a fuse was placed between a low-voltage linear regulator (like the ubiquitous 78XX or LM317) and its local input filter capacitor, the characteristics of the fuse could affect the regulator's stability, and cause it to oscillate.

And finally, there's the UL rating issue . . . it's important to have confidence that a fuse will blow when its supposed to, and without any certifications, who's to say? At $40 a pop [sic], testing their tolerance and production consistency is a very expensive proposition indeed.

Now I'm not claiming that fuses make a difference, or don't make a difference, I honestly haven't tried, and I'm too cheap to conduct an exhaustive study into the matter. But if anybody has some good data (even if incomplete) on their experiments, please share it.
Kirkus  (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)

08-30-08
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08-30-08   Isoclean 1. 8a slo-blo 2. no 3. on the ac line. amplifier ...   Tvad

08-30-08   Remove old fuse and put boutique fuse in, then listen. take ...   Dave_b

08-31-08   Just what the world needs -- another fuse thread. dave_b ha ...   Dopogue

08-31-08   Dave- i completely agree! if one does not try something th ...   Rodman99999

08-31-08   Dave, let me put it this way. the best way to get repeatabl ...   Kirkus

08-31-08   I'm positive moving your head 1" will create more of a ...   Warnerwh

08-31-08   To copy and paste what i posted on the other fuse thread: t ...   Rodman99999

08-31-08   I like the idea of record keeping and comparing. why not in ...   Magfan

08-31-08   Warnerwh first of all, i disagree with you. moving your h ...   Albertporter

09-01-08   I may have not mentioned the obvious point that fuse replace ...   Dave_b

09-01-08   Gentlemen, please. the other fuse thread was a fine place t ...   Kirkus

09-01-08   Mr k- you'll note in my post that i mentioned these fuses ar ...   Rodman99999

09-01-08   Rodman, he doesn't want that answer.   Tbg

09-01-08   I always hope for rationality. it's reasonable to try a tas ...   Rodman99999

09-01-08   I agree...another fuse tread is booooring..replace them and ...   Missioncoonery

09-01-08: Kirkus
Rodman, he doesn't want that answer.
Ooooo, baby! Why don't YOU tell me what I WANT to hear . . . that's soooo hot . . .

Anyway, I'm taking you up on this, Rodman . . . I ordered two Hi-Fi Tuning 2A slow-blow fuses from Acoustic Sounds, they have them at $34.95 (still made me wince a bit). I will do as you suggest, and use them in the AC line of my Marantz Model 2s. I'm thankful that your suggestion is for the easiest fuses to get at - gotta love external fuseholders right on the front ;)

I'm curious, did you change all of your power-amp fuses at once, or did you try it in one place, first? From what you described, the driver-rail fuses in the Hafler are the main suspect in an engineering sense, especially if these rails are taken directly from the main supply rails, and shared between both channels. I have personally seen (in solid-state amps) driver-rail bypass capacitors that "seem to be" fine and measure OK, but inexplicably cause an increase in measured THD. Same goes for cold solder joints on connectors that feed these rails.

If you were interested, you could change only these fuses back to the stock types, and see if that accounts for the bulk of the change in performance . . . but if you'd rather leave well enough alone, I understand.

Kirkus  (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)


09-01-08   "if engineers are so "all knowing," why don' ...   Phaelon

09-01-08   Phaelon, i think you paint with too broad a brush. some smal ...   Tbg

09-01-08   Mr k- i started with the ac line fuses in my main amps, as ...   Rodman99999

09-01-08   Point taken tbg. i wasn't really talking about small, super ...   Phaelon

09-01-08   "if engineers are so "all knowing," why don't ...   Warnerwh

09-01-08   I don't disagree with your comments about room treatment, i ...   Albertporter

09-01-08   I'm one who doesn't hesitate to comment good or bad. it's no ...   Tvad

09-01-08   Albert- don't think you are wasting your time here. your(an ...   Rodman99999

09-02-08   I changed three of the stock fuses on my modest amc 3050a so ...   Knownothing

09-02-08   Any subject needs discussion because no one person can see e ...   Warnerwh

09-04-08   Warnerwh, listening to music is always my solution also. it ...   Tbg

09-04-08   In the future tbg, teleportation will be fast and cheap...th ...   Dave_b

09-06-08   Just found this on another thread. at least one amplifier d ...   Knownothing

11-05-08   Hello, here are my answers: 1. fast blow 4 and 6 amps hifi t ...   Terryakhan

11-05-08   I installed hi fi tuning fuses in my vtl amps and the change ...   Albertporter

11-05-08   Alberporter- kudos on your continued experimentation with th ...   Rodman99999

11-05-08   understood. i've read threads where the poster argues th ...   Albertporter

11-05-08   A request albert: would it be possible for those of your fri ...   Rodman99999

11-05-08   One's an audiogon member but he's incredibly busy and does n ...   Albertporter

11-05-08   The only possibility is that a higher resistance fuse used i ...   Magfan

11-08-08   Albertporter, curious what affect changing fuses in your so ...   Knownothing

11-08-08   actually, the effect was very similar everywhere i installe ...   Albertporter

11-08-08   Albert is correct in his evaluation. my experience with the ...   Yoby

11-09-08   Thanks, i have three hi-fi tuning fuses in my integrated amp ...   Knownothing

11-13-08   Can anyone comment on the acme fuses ($12 each) vs. the hi-f ...   Koestner

11-13-08   I don't understand why there is so much discussion of the hi ...   Tbg

11-13-08   I am now using 6 nines iridium rods cnc milled to fit and t ...   Theaudiotweak

11-13-08   This circular discussion is very entertaining.   Tvad

11-13-08   well tvad, if fuses were not circular, they would not fit i ...   Albertporter

11-14-08   Tbg, i have installed isocleans and can attest that they ar ...   Kenk168

11-15-08   These are my responses to your questions. i am using german ...   Audioquest4life

11-16-08   4life, i have an in house design for an audiophile grade bre ...   Theaudiotweak

11-16-08   4life, got me going here. if you have available there in ger ...   Theaudiotweak

11-16-08   Tom, the ahp breakers allow one to experiment with either ...   Audioquest4life

11-16-08   4life, many good thoughts going on here, thats great. norm/ ...   Theaudiotweak

11-17-08   I first heard of avm about a year and a half ago. i ran into ...   Tbg

12-13-08   Woo weee !!! i have ordered 2 fuses for my krell integrated ...   Firedrums

12-13-08   Who had that special going? thanks, in advance, for the inf ...   Rodman99999

12-13-08   Rodman, i would have much confidence as per the less than $5 ...   Tbg

12-15-08   The cable company is having a special on the fuses in decemb ...   Firedrums

12-29-08   Ok - i swapped out the cheap fuses with the hi fi tuning fus ...   Firedrums


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