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Sounds like eureka then, but does it do this? Wellfed
If you mean does it rock babeeee... well we listened to s ... Abramsmatch
I read somewhere that the 30.3 would be released soon and wo ... Tarsando
Sounds like it's all that. Wellfed
The 30.3? wow that will render the 30.2 obsolete-- i mean l ... Abramsmatch
So, is shindo aurieges/montille better? what about the lav ... Plinko
Well-- i may not be able to comment on the full capability o ... Abramsmatch
...okay, i won't push any further. :-) let us know what you ... Plinko
Were they talking about the red wine audio 30.2 you mean? i ... Abramsmatch
It is how it goes. and the rule of thumb is that the .3 ver ... Tarsando
No, it was the original 30. never surprised when different ... Plinko
In my humble opinion rwa 30.2 sounded (very short audition d ... Mrjstark
Then you might want to consider this too: audio sector pate ... Cdc
The manley stingray hath arrived. let the games........ ... Abramsmatch
Class "t" can't touch a good chip amp unless bass ... Cdc
Hey, unless you have actually listened to the signature 30.2 ... Natewalker_2006
Cdc...have you heard the red wine? what were your impressi ... Plinko
Involving & poised. full of subtlety and refinement with sta ... Mrjstark
Has anyone heard both red wine and patek? Pubul57
Yes the editor of 6moons has reviewed both pieces. both wer ... Natewalker_2006
For above what chip amps are you referring to? Coffeey
Red wine audio 30.2....if "q" was for me, if not - ... Mrjstark
Abramsmatch: how many inputs on the integrated and are they ... F1a
Hi plinko: "i'm more interested in live comparisons rat ... Cdc
Check out the forum on audiocircle. http://www.audiocircle.c ... Eril
Cdc....red wine's .04% thd is certainly impressive. i imagi ... Plinko
"01-17-08: abramsmatch the manley stingray hath arrived ... Dspringham
Okay-- I'll come clean-- limited time at work though-- so this is briefer than I want it to be for now! I love the manley and the RWA-- but the Manley is slightly more forward with slightly less soundstage depth. Essentially it is a matter of perspective--
With my friend's Living Voice speakers (definitely not forward speakers but certainly not laid back sleepers---) I feel the Stingray is a touch too in my face. Just a touch...
HOWEVER-- conversely, with certain digital components, the RWA can err (for me and not necessarily you) slightly on the warm/friendly side.
This gets much more interesting though as my friend recently brought over an MHDT Paradisea + DAC which I connected to my long-time fave CD player-- the Lector CDP 0.6T mk. 2 via a standard Audio Art RCA interconnect (not a dedicated digital cable).
This DAC (not completely broken in) is slightly 'edgier' or more forward in perspective and with the manley it is just a bit too much-- but with the RWA it is nigh on perfect! I have only listened to it for an hour, so I cant say if I prefer it overall to the lector alone-- it may (and I mean MAY) have slightly more grain and maybe a smaller stage-- but it is definitely a bit more upfront and 'snappier' in perspective.
With the RWA this makes for a perfect balance with the LV speakers. Singers are RIGHT THERE in the room present and breathy and all that jazz.
Now-- those speaks are gonna have to go back to my friend streetdaddy (here on the 'gon) shortly-- so I'll have to find my own speakers and the fun is gonna start all over again!!
Essentially I am right now optimizing my sound for someone else's system!! Not smart, huh??
For example-- the reason I believe Bob Neill probably loves the Reynaud/Manley synergy is that the manley seems a touch in-yer-face and the Reynauds may be a touch warm and 'human.' Together they probably equal 'perfect'! So I could keep the Manley and buy Reynauds... but I'm sure i'd miss the little RWA, which is so engaging musically (Johnny Cash's 'Whem The Man Comes Around' is riveting via the RWA/lector combo-- you cant just listen to one track! It's one of those amps that makes people remain quiet until a track is over to tell you how good things sound... you know how it is! They dont wanna disturb Johnny while he's performing...
I would say that with laid back speakers (I dunno-- maybe spendors or something) the RWA could be a bit too warm. Similarly, with bright speakers (thiels; again-- to MY ear), the Manley might drive you out of the room.
Like Vinnie Rossi says-- it's all about synergy. He LOVES the RWA 30.2 with Devore 9's and to me, devore gibbon 8's (yes I have owned them so I have an opinion) were a touch forward and thinner/more 'neutral'/revealing than I'm used to. I'll just bet the very slightly warm nature of the RWA fancies the slightly cool nature of the Devores Big-Time.
The Manley amp is fast and fun and has great bass-- almost as much as the RWA. So is the RWA. The Manley has lots of inputs-- the RWA does not. The Manley is NOT remote controlled-- bummer.
Both are very engaging to listen to, though I think my temporary non-audiophile house guest Charles, my girlfriend and I all prefer the music-making of the RWA amp somewhat. Not to mention the convenience factor (small, light, no tubes etc).
It gets even MORE interesting though! When I connected the Shindo Aurieges pre to the RWA amp and used it strictly as an amplifier-- I got a slightly more forward and punchier sound-- what you might expect from going 'active' with a great pre like the Shindo-- very enjoyable!
Now, according to clandestine sources, a Shindo interconnect might give me an even better idea of what the combo is capable of-- but I aint got one. Alls I can tell ya is -- ees good! Best I've heard the Aurieges sound! Again-- no remote though (ancient Japanese custom?)
I do love the remote with the RWA-- awesome and small and cute. Again-- the volume steps might be juuuuust a wee bit coarse for perfection but that's often the case with stepped attnuators of any quality.
This is why I await with bated breath Vinnie's Isabella preamp- if it lends the already very punchy 30.2 and even punchier sound and has a continuously variable volume control-- well we might be in business!
Now-- assuming I stay with the RWA (leaning that way) when streetdaddy takes back his LV IBXR2 speakers-- what I'm gonna use is anybody's guess. I was gonna go Reynaud- but with the RWA-- that combo might be a touch warm. Again-- loved the Devore dynamics/definition/imaging etc-- but they were a touch forward and cooler than I like when I used to own them.
Love my old Totem ones-- though these arent at their best at lower levels like some other higher efficiency speakers. There's always the Acoustic Zen adagios and the Reference 3a Veena (new model with supertweeter like the the Grand Veena is coming out I think). OR-- I could drop BIG COIN for my own pair of LV IBXR2's-- a fabulously balanced transducer. But that's BIG COIN.
Sigh. This is why I didnt wanna like a lower powered amp-- despite its versatility-- I still say you got more choices with say, another fave of mine-- like the Unico standard or SE models (not in-house now for comparison). When you're playin' with a 160 watt 50 pound amp like the Unico SE you can buy whatever speakers you want-- except Scintillas!
Not to short change either the Manley or the Red Wine-- as I have not heard either with a "demanding" load.
In sum-- guess the fact that the stingray is for sale votes for the slightly more engaging nature (to ME in MY-- err... partyly someone else's) system. But I could certainly live with Messeur Manley and if i dont get my price-- may do just that for a while along with the RWA until the speaker choice has been made...
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Wow. nice writeup! from where i sit, i'm not surprised abo ... Plinko
I agree great insights. now that you are looking at speaker ... Mystang
Hey abramsmatch, nice write up! you wrote: the gibbons 8's ... Natewalker_2006
Bravo to you for the write up! not many audiophiles have th ... Orjazzm
In response to plinko's inquiry-- the battery power does not ... Abramsmatch
I also recently took delivery of the signature 30.2 and am b ... Jwarmbrand
Rw has a 30-day trial? Pubul57
Well jwarmbrand, i'm a bit stumped. i've been running a sig ... Musicus53
Hi don yes he had the sig 30 and later had it fully upgraded ... Jwarmbrand
Fwiw, based on some of the private emails i've received alon ... Abramsmatch
Hmmm, that makes my upgrade decision a bit more difficult si ... Musicus53
Musicus53/jwarmbrand, what cables are you/your friend using? ... Orjazzm
I too am wondering about this upgrade from the sig 30 to the ... Seekburk
The 30.2 is not identical to my yamamoto a-08s which shall s ... Srajanebaen
Does anyone have any comments on the amp version (sans atten ... Dspringham
Orjazzm, don't laugh, but i've been using the jeff day (6mo ... Jwarmbrand
Srajan, your review of the 30.2 is so spot-on!!! thank you ... Natewalker_2006
Im trying to decide between the rwa 30.2 and supratek malbec ... Raytheprinter
I just want to add that i have gotten slightly more preferab ... Abramsmatch
David, thanks for taking the time to share your impressions ... Rumadian
I hooked up my 30.2 last monday,so it has around 40 hours of ... Raytheprinter
Ray, any update on how it is going with the 30.2? Kclone
Haven't been here for awhile and thought i'd say congrats on ... Nonoise
The red wine 30 and 30.2 are also a great match for the wlm ... Golden_ears
So no noise and golden ears. is the upgrade worth it. my mai ... Kbuzz
I have found that the red wine 30.2 is excellent in the bass ... Golden_ears
I spent the last month with a partial upgrade 30.2, and i co ... Outlier
Hi outlier, sounds like you are the "outlier" (pun ... Jwarmbrand
Sorry it took so long to reply,i really like the 30.2,,,,,bu ... Raytheprinter
Raytheprinter, why don't you go in for the 70.2 mono blocks ... Adamaley
Adamaley,im an out of work printer,at the moment,so money is ... Raytheprinter