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  Tube Preamps...I'm sold
At the constant urging of my friend I finally decided to audition a tube preamp (Eistein The Tube). All I can say is I am completely sold on the benefits of tubes in my system. I am not sure I have the vocabulary to describe what I heard but everything just sounded right. Vocals has a realism that made it seem I was in the same room as the musician. Instruments sounded like they were supposed to. There were details I have never heard before. What is amazing to me is that I have what I believe to be a pretty good ss preamp (Classe CP-700).

Ok, now for the hard part...finding the right tube preamp. The Einstein is amazing but I want to audition more. Can anyone suggest a tube pre in the range of $10K and less? I would love to some one with an output trigger and very fine volume control (0.5db). Thats all I need.

Thanks in advance.
Tboooe  (System | Reviews | Threads | Answers | This Thread)

12-30-06
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12-31-06   Mapletree. happy listening.   Bigkidz

12-31-06   Audio research ref 3- probably a great choice. aesthetix cal ...   Fsarc

12-31-06   Thanks for the responses. i would prefer balanced with a ni ...   Tboooe

12-31-06   The calypso from aesthetix is a killer performer & value @ $ ...   Barrelchief

12-31-06   Shindo monbrisson at $7,900.the best tube preamp you could h ...   Clfcarney

12-31-06   Tboooe, you are ruined :-) you will come back to the tube. n ...   Essentialaudio

12-31-06   Try audio research ref-3 or you can try the previous arc ref ...   Audphile1

12-31-06   Try a arc ref 3 or wait for the new bat vk-32/52 series to b ...   Jmcgrogan2

12-31-06   Vac ren mk 2 new at about $2k less than the einstein. it ha ...   Swampwalker

12-31-06   Hi tboooe, i would seriously consider the new bat vk-52se a ...   Trcnetmsncom

12-31-06   If you don't need a phono stage, the supratek cabernet is a ...   Kgturner

12-31-06   Tom, what is the rex? yes, bat is on my shortlist.   Tboooe

12-31-06   I'm going out on a limb here because i haven't heard most of ...   Hartwerger

12-31-06   Ditto on the arc ref-3. as to older arc models, i actually ...   Arahl

12-31-06   Do you have any objections to older products, say from the ...   Mrtennis

12-31-06   I have used the sonic frontiers pre-amps, an arc sp3a , sp10 ...   Driggs

12-31-06   The audio research ref-3 is made right here in the usa arc ...   Jea48

01-01-07   Hello tboooe, bat has recently released 3 new preamps, the ...   Trcnetmsncom

01-01-07   Tbooe, with all due respect, i'm glad your very excited rega ...   Teajay

01-01-07   Tom, thanks for the input. if i go with bat i will get the ...   Tboooe

01-01-07   Teajay,why don'y you identify the "mystery" japane ...   Clfcarney

01-01-07   Clfcarney, i find your personnal remarks somewhat condescend ...   Teajay

01-01-07   details and ss are for young beginners who don't know any be ...   Audiofeil

01-01-07   I don't remember making any personal remarks,teajay.and ever ...   Clfcarney

01-01-07   Clfcarney, well i'm glad you have a sense of humor regarding ...   Teajay

01-01-07   shindo monbrison point to point hand wired..... .   Jea48

01-01-07   I have used passive preamps in the past and liked it better ...   Clfcarney

01-01-07   Clfcarney, you do sound like teajay's non-committal on the s ...   Jmcgrogan2

01-02-07   Clfcarney, anybody that makes a statement such as: "de ...   Audiofeil

01-01-07   Well,jmcgrogan2, i am surprised that in all fairness you don ...   Clfcarney

01-01-07   I count at least 14 different plugs for placette by teajay. ...   Clfcarney

01-01-07   Hello all, first let me than cliff for his positive comment ...   Vinyljh

01-02-07   i believe he was trying to convey when he said detail and so ...   Audiofeil

01-02-07   Audiofeil,old age does not necessarily equate to the ability ...   Clfcarney

01-02-07   Clfcarney, let me comment on your statement that, "... ...   Teajay

01-02-07   You've proven my point regarding your knowledge with the mos ...   Audiofeil

02-03-07   Tboooe, just curious what decision you made on a new preamp ...   Mcrheist

02-04-07   Mcrheist: i have not decided on a tube pre yet. if money w ...   Tboooe

02-04-07   If you are going with arc, you will need to move up to the r ...   Mcrheist

02-05-07   Mcrheist, good thoughts. i will be auditioning all the prea ...   Tboooe

02-05-07   Don't forget wyetech opal, which may be the best of all and ...   Nglazer

02-05-07   Nglaxer, i agree with you regarding the wyetech opal preamp, ...   Teajay

02-05-07: Mcrheist
Tboooe, regarding the newest ARC preamp line (LS17 and LS26) with the exception of the ARC REF 3, they are not "tube-like" at all. In fact, they sound very SS. Have you heard these in your system? The only one in their current line of preamps (LS17, LS26, REF 3) that sounds like "tubes" is the REF 3.

I state this as an enthusiaste of the LS26. I do not like the warm, syrupy, slow sound of tubes, so the LS26 is very much to my liking . But you state, "good tube preamps sound fundamentally different from good ss preamps. So while the Cp-700 is indeed a great preamp, it still does not give the sound that tubes do, which is what I am after." If you are after the sound of tubes, the ARC LS17 and LS26 are definitely not your remedy.

Be sure to demo in your system. And, if you think you are hearing tubes with the LS17 and LS26, I would state that it is the power of persuasion that is at work here. These sound more SS or at least equally as SS as the CP-700. Maybe you are just looking for a change of gear?

Best of luck. I really like the LS26 but my ultimate goal is to own the REF 3 unless ... (I'll leave it at that!)

Mcrheist  (Reviews | Threads | Answers | This Thread)


02-06-07   I agree with teajay on wyetech opal. you will not get the ty ...   Nglazer

02-09-07   Tboooe : as a tube guy for years (and years) the audio resea ...   Crem1

03-28-07   I upgraded from a classe cp-60 to the ref-3 and for me it is ...   Stesom

03-29-07   Thanks stesom...i actually just placed my order for the ref3 ...   Tboooe

03-30-07   Tboooe.......now the wait begins. it is hard to believe tha ...   Stesom

03-30-07   E.a.r.834l! e.a.r.834l ! e.a.r.834l! trust me!   Mrupgrade

03-30-07   Stesom..you are right..hard to believe the backorder...i wil ...   Tboooe


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