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  Bypass preamp, better sound, yet fatiguing?
Does anybody know a good reason why running from the CD player direct into the amp will produce a better, detailed sound (e.g., piano sounds more real, instruments are better separated), but on the other hand, after a while, after an hour or so, the sound becomes fatiguing?

Is there any thing as too much detail?

System consists of Levinson 390s, 380s, VTL MB-450, B&W 802n. Interconnects are Transparent super. Speaker cable is Transparent super bi-cable.

Are the cables not up to it? Room acoustics? B&W tweeter to bright? I don't experience any fatigue, if I listen through the preamp, but the sound is somewhat duller (but better rythmically) than if I go direct. Any suggestions are welcome.
Hgabert  (Threads | Answers | This Thread)

02-07-06
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02-07-06   All too often, i find that digital playback equipment is,har ...   Mcfarland

02-07-06   I prefer using a preamp, and i have the option of running di ...   Tvad

02-07-06   But in hgabert's case, it's a solid state preamp and one fro ...   Drubin

02-07-06   Yup, that's a quandry. i still believe that even if my prea ...   Tvad

02-07-06   Well, it's not the cable. just tried a transparent referenc ...   Hgabert

02-08-06   Well...my system isn't as hi-end as the one in question...ho ...   Phasecorrect

02-07-06   It all depends on system synergy. try silent audio apollo c ...   55dok

02-07-06   My hunch is you have several issues here; 1. you make no m ...   Stehno

02-08-06   I had a powerplant p-300 for a while, powering the preamp an ...   Hgabert

02-08-06   I have an adcom 750 which allows me to listen in a passive m ...   Qdrone

02-08-06: Stehno
Hgabert, I need to be careful here as I very recently became a dealer which included becoming a dealer for the Foundation Research passive and dedicated line conditioners.

I should also note that I've been using the Foundation Research line conditioners for almost 5 years now and wrote several reviews here on these products years before I became a dealer.

I could be very specific about the line conditioner you mentioned based on my personal experience at a customer's home (If you email me, I'll provide you the gentleman's email address so you can discuss with him.)

Rather I will simply reiterate my statement in my previous post where I stated, "proper line conditioning."

Your sonics did not improve so much because of the dedicated lines because, like everybody, your AC from the street is going to be just about as dirty as everyone else's AC.

The dedicated lines would no doubt offer your amp greater dynamics and may have helped tame some AC noise generated from inside your home by appliances and dimmers now on other circuits but they do nothing to treat the worst AC noise which comes from the pole outside.

So if the dedicated lines were not the reason for the improvement, then there is still another reason for the improvement you claim.

Don't get me wrong here as I'm not trying to sell you anything. Except perhaps the thought that not all line conditioners are created equally. Line conditioners, like any other component, will run the whole gamut.

There are line conditioners that induce sonic harm, there are those that rob an amplifier of needed current and thus strip away the dynamics, there are those that do little or nothing, there are those that provide any combination thereof, and then there are those that induce no sonic harm at all while providing tremendous musical benefit.

Foundation Research products are the best I know but they certainly not alone in this regard.

Regarding your question about the preamp, like I said in my previous post, my hunch is that your preamp is lacking in the detail department. That's why you hear greater detail when it is removed. At the same time, the preamp is probably also masking the higher noise-floor, digital hash, and lack of properly treated AC at the same time.

My only advise here is keep the dedicated lines as they definitely have their place in a system. But keep experimenting with different line conditioners. You'll know when you've found the right ones for your system.

-IMO

Stehno  (System | Reviews | Threads | Answers | This Thread)


02-08-06   Isnt there an issue of impedance compatability? the preamps ...   Jsujo

02-09-06   The impedance issue could be because you are using a combina ...   Qdrone

02-09-06   Usually when it doesn't work well the premap is tube and the ...   Drubin

05-15-06   The preamps in cd player are up to the job as seperates woul ...   Wadia150

05-15-06   I tried to bypass the pre with ss mc250 and with a ss cdp, d ...   Jsujo

05-15-06   I thought that there are thousands of people using tube prea ...   Jsujo

05-25-06   Hgabert, maybe i interpreted your original post incorrectly ...   Stehno

05-26-06   I will have to agree with hgabert here stehno, i have the sa ...   Jsadurni

05-26-06   i owned a first sound presence deluxe ii in a system with an ...   Tvad

05-26-06   Jsadurni, i wasn't necessarily making a statement in my last ...   Stehno

05-27-06   Hello tvad, i guess the first sound with the apl dennon wou ...   Jsadurni

05-27-06   Jsadurni, it appears that you like to tweak quite a bit and ...   Stehno

05-27-06   i did have the h attenuator, yes. source today is exempl ...   Tvad

06-01-06   Thanks for your response stehno, you were right on the spot, ...   Jsadurni

06-01-06   it's not better, but it's less expensive.   Tvad


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