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  Best preamp is no preamp: always true?
There seems to be a school of thought that between two well-designed (read no major flaws) CDP and AMP, the best PREAMP is NO PREAMP at all (let's assume that the AMP has a sort of minimalist volume control).

Is this a solid and robust statement? What would be situations where this is not true (still no major design flaws)?
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01-03-06
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01-03-06   My preamp is the heart of my system. i cannot imagine not h ...   Sugarbrie

01-03-06   Depends on your system...and wallet. a well designed passive ...   Sogood51

01-03-06   Sogood51 got it right. no, its not always true. sometimes it ...   Unsound

01-03-06   The appropriate preamp is system-dependent. preamps can be v ...   The_smokester

01-03-06   I have found that in real life passive pre's can sound very ...   Matt8268

01-03-06   Sogood51, your statement doesn't say very much. "passi ...   S23chang

01-03-06   In my opinion, regardless whether the linestage and volume c ...   Szutinglee

01-03-06   Not at all always true. it really depends on the driver stag ...   Arni

01-03-06   Actually sogood also answers the question in favor of preamp ...   Bowbow

01-03-06   S23chang french bordeaux?...hardly "essential" t ...   Sogood51

01-03-06   Agree and disagree with some of you. when i was looking at ...   Bigkidz

01-03-06   Bigkidz, could you elaborate on what was interesting about f ...   Dovetail

01-03-06   Not a matter of impedance matching. a matter of drive impeda ...   Ar_t

01-03-06   I think the accurate answer is yes and no. it depends on the ...   Etmerritt33

01-03-06   I have tried the following passive devices and cd players wi ...   Grannyring

01-03-06   Bill: thanks for sharing your experiences. my question now ...   newerphile@

01-03-06   Great question and i don't have the answer. i simply report ...   Grannyring

01-04-06   Thx sogood51 on your view. i had try few passives including ...   S23chang

01-04-06   Alway gonna get better and more full sound in almost 9 out o ...   Matrix

01-04-06   Matrix: your "theory" or "experience" sh ...   newerphile@

01-04-06   It's interesting that ed meitner provides a full-function ac ...   Rgs92

01-04-06   My experience mimics that of matrix, and that includes havin ...   Boa2

01-04-06   I think there is only one theory: the moment signal left th ...   S23chang

01-04-06   S23chang i think in theory and practice to our ears that cou ...   Matrix

01-06-06   Thanks a lot guys, i am surprised to see that there seems to ...   newerphile@

01-06-06   Newerphile, it's just not a universally correct conclusion t ...   The_smokester

01-06-06   Thanks. so now the ultimate question: it seems that there i ...   newerphile@

01-06-06   Smokester - very interesting response. i have been researchi ...   Clio09

01-06-06   Pick your preference and use your ear. afterall, your ear wi ...   S23chang

01-07-06   Newerphile, yes. there are some obvious measureable things t ...   The_smokester

01-06-06   S23chang: i think it will come down to that! i looked upon t ...   newerphile@

01-07-06   Newerphile, "i guess i am free to listen to any preamp ...   The_smokester

01-07-06   From my experience, 3v is min for passive. i have 2v cd pla ...   S23chang

01-08-06   "from my experience, 3v is min for passive" i pre ...   Sogood51

01-08-06   Can you explain to me why you fell that 2v is not enough for ...   newerphile@

01-08-06   3v is almost double the volume of 2v. it sounds more normal ...   S23chang

01-10-06   Intuitively the answer is yes. however, in practice in ain't ...   Rrcpa

01-10-06   Hi, first post. it defies logic but i just installed a krell ...   Karma16

01-10-06   I lived with a sonic euphoria passive pre between my pass am ...   Pardales

01-10-06   Actually, i have been reading and hearing more and more that ...   newerphile@

01-10-06   Newerphile, my opinion, lost dynamics and frequency extremes ...   Matrix

01-10-06   I've tried it in the past and it's not bad. but the preamp/b ...   Gmood1

01-11-06   If cd playback is your only source then you'll just need to ...   S23chang

01-11-06   i copied s23chang's post not to necessarily single him out ...   Tvad

01-11-06   We have the same fancy (or as they say in the car industry, ...   Boa2

01-11-06   I have never heard a situation, where price was not a limita ...   Larryi

01-11-06   Check out the discussion and review of a passive inductive p ...   The_smokester

01-11-06   Well, lets see...i can think of a member here at audiogon wi ...   Sogood51

01-11-06   I've tried two passive solutions in my system - a bent audio ...   Gliderguider

01-12-06: Kalan
Dovetail asked Bigkidz (in this thread, I think) what the discussion with First Sound entailed about volume pots or attenuators, etc.

While I have no way of knowing what Bigkidz and Emmanuel Go (First Sound) might have spoken about, the First Sound website says their stepped attenuators are made with Holco or Vishay resistors. I believe the upper models have the Vishays.

I have tried a passive pre-amp (First Sound, before they went to the active design) and have heard many systems with and without pre-amps. My system sounds better with the First Sound Active pre-amp than with the passive (or without a pre-amp at all). Several folks I know have tried the same experiment; they all prefer their systems with a good active pre-amp. Doesn't mean that no pre' can't be done well; I just haven't heard it.

Kalan  (Reviews | Threads | Answers | This Thread)


01-16-06   Kalan you are right. i posted above and tried the passive an ...   Grannyring

01-16-06   A meaning of a preamp(power-amp) is relatively new v.s. prev ...   Marakanetz

01-16-06   You may not need it functionally, but my ears say you need i ...   Grannyring

01-16-06   Marakanetz, you make a good point. i guess it would be poss ...   Kalan

01-17-06   What about integrateds with a passive preamp built in? the ...   Solman989

01-18-06   Solman989 you can add the manley stingray to your list also ...   Sogood51

01-18-06   Sogood51, sarcasm aside, these passively integrated units do ...   Unsound

01-18-06   i can only tell you what my ears told me. at the present ti ...   Benie

01-18-06   Unsound thought i better stir pot. dave   Sogood51

01-18-06   Dave, that's what i thought. as usuall it carried a good tho ...   Unsound

01-18-06   Add to the list of integrated amps with a passive input the ...   Kalan

01-18-06   Yes i have. i've tried this with my passive integrated. it s ...   Gmood1

01-19-06   Solman989, in case of integrated amps you ought to figure th ...   Marakanetz

02-13-06   For what it's worth, i've found my levinson 390s running dir ...   Klinerm

02-13-06   Active preamp. the only direct cd connection i have heard a ...   Sgower

02-14-06   A passive preamp will often sound better than an active but ...   Jtgofish

02-16-06   I tried a placette rvc, with .5 meter audioquest jaguar cabl ...   Dlanselm

02-16-06   Sugarbrie, you have a creek integrated and an onkyo receiver ...   Cdc

04-22-06   I'd like to prepsent a few facts which may help you to under ...   Zt000

04-23-06   I have had many active and passive preamps under different s ...   Flg2001


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