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  DarTZeel Preamp
Does anyone have experience with the new DarTZeel NHB 18NS Preamplifier? A few 'Goners have commented on hearing the unit at 2005 CES, but I was wondering in particular if anyone has purchased one, or heard one in a familiar system or at a dealer for instance. Thanks.
Ubglub  (Threads | Answers | This Thread)

10-14-05
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10-17-05   Back to the original points… i wrote the 6moons review, and ...   Mmalin

10-17-05   This is what i love about this hobby--one man's passion is a ...   Oneobgyn

10-17-05   Thanks mmalim for getting the thread back to where it belong ...   Henryhk

10-17-05   By the way guys...i posted a related question on the review ...   Henryhk

10-17-05   Thank you, mmalin. please let us know the approximate date ...   Sjmgr

10-18-05   Jtinn: you say to fmpnd “you are making this personal and se ...   imisutar@

10-18-05   I keep coming to this thread hoping to read some valuable in ...   Jafox

10-18-05   Jafox, i hate to see you wallow in a state of contentedness ...   Fmpnd

10-18-05   What concerns me about this thread more than anything else i ...   Oneobgyn

10-18-05   Imisutar@sutarcom.ir: i understand why you feel the way you ...   Jtinn

10-18-05   The products that jtinn represents always seem to provoke so ...   Rgcards

10-18-05   Sjmgr asks “please let us know the approximate date for your ...   Mmalin

10-18-05   Oneobgyn: i appreciate that you are somewhat in the middle o ...   Jtinn

10-18-05   Oneobgyn: to say that i "continually" make commen ...   Hooper

10-18-05   Ob, the manual was written for the original version of the a ...   Mikelavigne

10-19-05   Gentlemen i don't know what to believe any more mike i am ...   Oneobgyn

10-18-05: Fmpnd
Just when it appears Mr. Tinn that your posts cannot get any more illogical - you outdo yourself yet again.

First, lets look at the FACTS about this thread:

1. The ORIGINAL poster, Ubglub, asked a specific question about experiences with the DarZeel PREAMP (NOT the amplifier).

2. Hooper, NOT me, originally led the post astray by taking the opportunity, in response to a specific post about the Dart PREAMP, to bring up Jeff's review of the AMPLIFIER and called it "utterly ridiculous"! (why he felt he needed to do that when the question was about the PREamp - I could not figure out).

3. So, knowing Hooper is a nice guy, I simply asked Hooper why he claimed Jeff's review was "utterly ridiculous" and in his next post he claimed it was because, in his reasoning, Jeff was "irresponsible" by mismatching the Dart to the Wilsons claiming it wasn't powerful enough to drive the Wilsons.

4. I challenged Hooper's claim that the Dart was not powerful enough to drive the Wilsons. In FACT, JTinn himself later acknowledged the Dart WAS powerful enough to drive the Wilsons - thus giving credence to my challenge of Andy's reasoning in calling Jeff "irresponsible" and his review "utterly ridiculous." GO BACK AND READ MY AND HOOPERS DIALOGUE! AT THIS POINT THE INTERACTION WAS CIVIL, PLEASANT AND WE WERE HAVING NO PROBLEMS. REMEMBER, I DID NOT DO ANYTHING BUT CHALLENGE A CLAIM THAT MY FELLOW COLLEAGUE WAS "IRRESPONSIBLE" AND THAT HIS OPINION WAS "UTTERLY RIDICULOUS." HOOPER AND I WERE FINE AT THAT POINT AND DONE WITH THE INTERACTION AND THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE END OF IT.

5. Enter Mr. Tinn and his completely unprofessional post calling Jeff and Marc biased and Jeff "slimy" and "an out and out liar" and "unprofessional" and then condemning Soundstage. SO EVERYONE, ASK YOURSELF THIS: IF HOOPER AND I WERE DONE AND EVERYTHING WAS CIVIL PRIOR TO THAT POINT, WHEN DID ALL THAT CHANGE AND WHO HIJACKED THE THREAD???

IN ADDITION, ASK YOURSELF WHO HAS BEEN UNPROFESSIONAL, WHO HAS SOMETHING TO GAIN FROM INSULTING THE DARTZEEL REVIEW IN SOUNDSTAGE AND WHO HAS DONE THE NAME CALLING?

I stuck to the facts of the thread, to Jtinn's actual language from the thread and to the Owner's Manual from his product to show where the real bias was and who had the real agenda. People responded to challenge Jtinn and his close friend Mike LaVigne even said he did NOT agree with JTinn's categorization of Jeff and Marc or their motives and that JTinn made "assinine assertions!" If his good friend even thought his bashing of Marc and Jeff was wrong and his assertions assinine, then either my challenge to Mr. Tinn's post was justifed or I guess then Mike TOO has an agenda to destroy Mr. Tinn.

However, here is Mr. Tinn claiming I hijacked the thread and that HE is the victim. LOL!! Ya gotta love Mr. Tinn's logic!

In closing, Mr. Tinn, may I suggest that if you are going to commit something to writing in a thread (and unjustifiably insult and defame a reveiwer and a magazine) or carry a product with an Owner's Manual that contradicts your claims, you may want to think twice before you post and know your product a little better since all I have done is point out what you and the Manual have said. Period!

Fmpnd  (Threads | Answers | This Thread)


10-19-05   "in addition, ask yourself who has been unprofessional, ...   Fiddler

10-19-05   Pointing out a paragraph in an owners manual as proof that t ...   Agisthos

10-19-05   Frank: just to clarify: my "utterly ridiculous" c ...   Hooper

10-19-05   Hooper, i have one problem with your post. try to let go of ...   Fmpnd

10-19-05   After reading about the dartzeel amp here and in various pub ...   jakesommers@

10-19-05   Andy, i am sorry if this upsets you, but can you understand ...   Fmpnd

10-19-05   Apart from finding this very amusing reading i will have to ...   Downunder

10-19-05   Frank peraino: you say facts. the facts are: 1. jeff fritz ...   Jtinn

10-19-05   Fmpnd: i just realized that most of the people here that are ...   Jtinn

10-19-05   Just fyi, i had a looong reply planned for frank, but as the ...   Hooper

10-19-05   Thank you again, mmalin. at this point, could we all go bac ...   Sjmgr

10-19-05   Jakesommers@netscape.net i would have no reservations about ...   082288

10-20-05   Gentlemen, just reading this thread can make you physically ...   Azjake

10-20-05   With the recent press about the dartzeel products, i was goi ...   Krjr

10-20-05   "fmpnd: i just realized that most of the people here th ...   Fiddler

10-20-05   Right on, hooper! i do hope other issues in this thread cou ...   Sjmgr

10-20-05   All, i have been watching tv for the last 4 days. this threa ...   Mikelavigne

10-20-05   Mikelavigne, in your post regarding the sonics of the new da ...   Teajay

10-20-05   Fiddler: if you re-read my post, i was talking about those w ...   Jtinn

10-20-05   ***fmpnd: i just realized that most of the people here that ...   Kevinkwann

10-21-05   Regarding the greed or mark up on pricing, and whether its d ...   Henryhk

10-21-05   Kevinkwan: since you do not know me either and want to make ...   Jtinn

10-21-05   Henryhk, i'm afraid you are right. still waiting for an aud ...   Edzard

10-22-05   I do not often participate but feel compelled to do so now t ...   Bkonig

10-22-05   Although as i stated previously, i am done with my involveme ...   Fmpnd

10-22-05   "3. i am a customer of jtinn. that is because he is the ...   Fsarc

10-23-05   "2. people in general may have their own agendas. it is ...   Oneobgyn

10-23-05   Ob, you have asked me a question 2 different times and for v ...   Mikelavigne

10-23-05   Oneobgyn: in reference to your first point, i do not know w ...   Bkonig

10-23-05   Mike - what a great description here. i have read similar a ...   Jafox

10-23-05   Some components reveal their true character right out of the ...   Oneobgyn

10-23-05   Mike- have you been using the preamp in battery mode? i know ...   Fsarc

10-24-05   Ob, i was not referring to the ml2.1's with my reference to ...   Mikelavigne


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