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  Tubes Do It -- Transistors Don't.
I never thought transistor amps could hold a candle to tube amps. They just never seem to get the "wholeness of the sound of an instrument" quite right. SS doesn't allow an instrument (brass, especially) to "bloom" out in the air, forming a real body of an instrument. Rather, it sounds like a facsimile; a somewhat truncated, stripped version of the real thing. Kind of like taking 3D down to 2-1/2D.

I also hear differences in the actual space the instruments are playing in. With tubes, the space appears continuous, with each instrument occupying a believable part in that space. With SS, the space seems segmented, darker, and less continuous, with instruments somewhat disconnected from each other, almost as if they were panned in with a mixer. I won't claim this to be an accurate description, but I find it hard to describe these phenomena.

There is also the issue of interest -- SS doesn't excite me or maintain my interest. It sounds boring. Something is missing.

Yet, a tube friend of mine recently heard a Pass X-350 amp and thought it sounded great, and better in many ways than his Mac MC-2000 on his Nautilus 800 Signatures. I was shocked to hear this from him. I wasn't present for this comparison, and the Pass is now back at the dealer.

Tubes vs. SS is an endless debate, as has been seen in these forums. I haven't had any of the top solid state choices in my system, so I can't say how they fare compared to tubes. The best SS amp I had was a McCormack DNA-1 Rev. A, but it still didn't sound like my tube amps, VT-100 Mk II & Cary V-12.

Have any of you have tried SS amps that provided these qualities I describe in tubes? Or, did you also find that you couldn't get these qualities from a SS amp?
Kevziek  (Reviews | Threads | Answers | This Thread)

09-11-02
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09-11-02   Based on what i have heard, i find your generalizations to b ...   Zaikesman

09-11-02   I am a vinyl and tube man, that stated, i find that ss has i ...   Detlof

09-11-02   I feel that there are system synergies that also must be tak ...   Tubegroover

09-11-02   Tubegroover, you forgot thermionic coolosity in your analysi ...   Clueless

09-11-02   I always like these threads. anyway, i'll chime in from the ...   Dburdick

09-11-02   I actually like pairing a tube preamp with a solid state amp ...   Sugarbrie

09-11-02   Hey you guys! how come i seem to be the only one who gets to ...   Twl

09-11-02   Twl, might as well give them the article. eduardo de lima ? ...   Clueless

09-11-02   There is no doubt that tubes come in various flavors and col ...   Bear

09-11-02   Each to their own taste! i use 33h on the mid/tweeter panels ...   Beemer

09-11-02   Lamm 1.1 mono blocks do it all beautiful tube bloom and air ...   Acuujim

09-11-02   My first tube amp was a kit i built in the early 60's, i hav ...   Rec

09-11-02   Hey kevziek... i hate to break it to you, but on most recor ...   Phild

09-11-02: Karls
I have to weigh in on the SS side when it comes to amps, not because they are all better, but because a few of them are. While I've heard very good tube amps and can appreciate their abilities, I've never heard one that could do bass so that it sounded real. The current and damping just can't handle it, and so I always end up "hearing" that it's a tube amp. It sticks in the back of my mind and won't go away, reminding me every time I hear the thump that I'm listening to a tube amp. I suppose my value system would be very different if I only listened to chamber music and vocalists, and I have no doubt I would be sitting here extolling the virtues of tube amps. SS amps, on the other hand, have gotten to the point where a few of them really CAN seem to disappear from the chain. Not many, and not until recently, but they're out there. My Ayre V-5 is the first amp I've ever owned, SS or tube, which allows me to actually say (the majority of the time, anyway) that "I can't tell it's there." And in my mind, there is no bigger compliment that can be paid to any piece of equipment.

This doesn't address the obvious and more difficult question, which is whether tube or SS preamps are better. I think tubes have a lot more going for them in a preamp, and may always have the upper hand over SS in this application.

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09-11-02   I own both solid state and tube pre-amps and amps (placette ...   Drubin

09-11-02   Karls, you need to try listening to a berning zotl. one revi ...   Twl

09-11-02   To further expand on the berning bass performance i will say ...   Tubegroover

09-11-02   I feel that a considerable cost upgrade was required to get ...   Blueswan

09-11-02   Dburdic, i agree with you about tube systems. i hear the tu ...   Muralman1

09-11-02   I would add atma-sphere amps to this list. otl amps that rea ...   Fatparrot

09-11-02   I've been very curious about the berning but never tried it. ...   Karls

09-11-02   Karl, i think that it could do it, with the feedback selecto ...   Twl

09-11-02   I concur with fatparrot on the atma-sphere assessment. i ha ...   Wellfed

09-11-02   Karls-i haven't tried the zh270 into a load that dips low or ...   Tubegroover

09-11-02   Tubegroover, see my last post above for my experiences at lo ...   Twl

09-11-02   Sorry twl, i wrote my response prior to yours showing up and ...   Tubegroover

09-11-02   While i generally agree with what you say about tubes and i ...   Joe_b

09-11-02   Try the gamut line of amps. i have heard many more ss amps ...   Tok20000

09-11-02   One of the reasons why the pass x-350 sounded better than th ...   Bwhite

09-11-02   I have heard a lot of the expensive tube amps and always li ...   Bobheinatz

09-12-02   Bwhite, you're right. how short-sided of me to ignore the ...   Kevziek

09-12-02   I am still using the aloia 1501 and it still does it for me. ...   Snook2

09-12-02   Kevziek, your response is refreshing. i need to restate my & ...   Muralman1

09-13-02   Muralman, strangely, i never seriously considered a tube cd ...   Kevziek

09-13-02   It is my opinion that tubes, used sparingly, lend a sense of ...   Muralman1

09-13-02   Muralman1, in my limited experience the sonic frontiers line ...   Unsound

09-14-02   I bought a used sf line 3 back in the spring of 2000. the o ...   7p62mm

09-14-02   Unsound and 7p, sonic frontiers is a great company. my pre a ...   Muralman1

09-14-02   Personally, i think it is rather funny that some people thin ...   Twl

09-14-02   Twl, its consistant with people preferring vinyl to digital. ...   inpepinnovations@

09-14-02   Bob, if it were distortion, why do we think that it is somet ...   Detlof

09-15-02   If you coun't blocking/chopping sound out (which is, in part ...   Clueless

09-15-02   Detlof, i don't know why you think that vinyl-tube playback ...   inpepinnovations@

09-15-02   Bob, i spoke of tubes distorting, not necessarily of a vinyl ...   Detlof

09-15-02   If anyone on this board really thinks that i, or other tube ...   Twl

09-15-02   I love the distortion i get with my ss amp. i went through ...   Nrchy

09-15-02   Detlof, i agree with clueless that cds omit information whic ...   Zaikesman

09-15-02   Zaikesman, you pose a very good question, which i have often ...   Detlof

09-16-02   Many live events are heard via tubes. perhaps that's why man ...   Unsound

09-16-02   Convenience, cost, etc. are valid reasons for choosing anyth ...   Asa


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