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  Amp shootout.....Tenor 75wi verses Berning ZH270
in a recent thread there was much discusion of the above 2 amps, whether the Berning was indeed an OTL, and which one might be better.

i have no opinion as to whether the Berning is an OTL. but today a Berning ZH270 owner brought his amp over to compare to my pair of Tenor 75wi's. my system is OTL friendly, with easy to drive speakers, so the Berning's acknowledged advantage in driving difficult loads was neutralized.

these amps have very similar power, the Tenor is 75 watts into 8 ohms, the Berning is 70 watts into 8 ohms. otherwise it is not really a fair comparison....the Tenors are $19900 a pair, the Berning $4500, the Tenors weigh 70 pounds each, the Berning weighs about 10 pounds.....it seems like Goliath verses David. the result is somewhat closer than that.

we played three different discs and each of 3 people listened to their disc in the sweetspot. the Berning owner felt that the Tenor had a more dimentional sound, deeper soundstage but felt the Berning was equal in bass extension and detail retreival. the independent listener felt the Berning was excellent for the money but not in the league of the Tenor in any paramter. my perception was similar to the independent listner; that the Berning, at $4500, is amazing in it's top to bottom excellence, dynamics and musicality.....but....does not do things like the Tenor. the sense of space, detail in the soundstage, texture and microdynamics of the Tenor are at a whole different level.....and they better be for $15000 more.

like the Berning owners, i am a shameless Tenor lover and consider the Tenors better than any other amp i have heard at any price, assuming a reasonably easy load to drive.

the Berning is more like a $8k to $10k amplifier.....and Berning owners should be justifiably proud of their amps.

i did think the Berning had slightly more bass slam than the Tenor, but with much less bass articulation and extension than the Tenor.

we spent the rest of the enjoyable afternoon listening to some great vinyl......an enjoyable time had by all.
Mikelavigne  (System | Reviews | Threads | Answers | This Thread)

04-14-02
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04-14-02   I like the part about spending the rest of the afternoon lis ...   Albertporter

04-14-02   Wonderful observations, a great job in describing the differ ...   Allanbhaganinfo

04-15-02   Allan, i accept your challenge....i live in the seattle area ...   Mikelavigne

04-15-02   Great post, mikelavigne!! it's great to know that the berni ...   Fatparrot

04-15-02   This is a interesting shootout. i am curious, was the berni ...   Kriskosiba

04-15-02   Allan, the real issue to me is how do i as a music lover get ...   Mikelavigne

04-15-02   Yes, you are so right but not everyone has that luxury to fi ...   Allanbhaganinfo

04-15-02   Dear mike, great posting. can you provide what systems and ...   Timchen

04-15-02   The system of systems is about to be listed again! since i d ...   Tireguy

04-15-02   I am the lucky berning owner who got to hear his amp in a ki ...   Del

04-15-02   This is what we need to see. rather than arguing about what ...   Oneprof

04-15-02   Wonderful del, well written indeed. tireguy, i am glad to s ...   Allanbhaganinfo

04-15-02   Very interesting thread.i agree with kris about the nos tube ...   Twl

04-15-02   Del, i highly recommend you change the input tubes. if you ...   Kriskosiba

04-15-02   You know, i completely forgot about the feedback switch on t ...   Del

04-15-02   Very interesting thread - i agree that more like this would ...   Danner

04-15-02   David, you forgot the feedback switch, oh no, you have to go ...   Allanbhaganinfo

04-15-02   But ya have to admit with the level of front end components ...   Mzn50

04-15-02   David, the reason i asked about the feedback setting is tha ...   Oneprof

04-15-02   The feedback switch can be dramatic, the size of the sound s ...   Allanbhaganinfo

04-15-02   Mzn50, i have to disagree with you. the better your front ...   Kriskosiba

04-15-02   Thanks mike and all for the great post and responses. the be ...   Clueless

04-15-02   Alan, please "tease" us with a few details about ...   Georgia2k

04-15-02   Hi all, i am a very satisfied berning zh270 owner. i have c ...   Gbeard

04-15-02   A frien mine who owns the tenor amps brought them over to kw ...   kevinkwann@

04-15-02   The feedback switch does more than just change the amount of ...   Twl

04-15-02   After checking the kharma website, the exquisite 1d has a 4o ...   Twl

04-15-02   Sometimes presentation can be altered to taste or preference ...   Allanbhaganinfo

04-15-02   Well, i went back and read the manual for the berning. he sa ...   Del

04-16-02   Go back :) it's killing me.   Allanbhaganinfo

04-15-02   The mono blocks uses the same tubes as the 270, however the ...   Allanbhaganinfo

04-16-02   Kevin, if your friend has $15k tenors, they are the 15 watt ...   Mikelavigne

04-16-02   Mzn50, think about this for a moment a good front end usuall ...   Thorty40

04-16-02   Mike and del i thank you both for the opportunity to share y ...   Tubegroover

04-16-02   Maybe mr. kamm could tell is what other equipment he was usi ...   kevinkwann@

04-16-02   I owned the lamm ml-1's and now own the tenors (75wi) both g ...   Glide3

04-16-02   Kevin: mike of course is correct. the tenor 75 watt amplifie ...   Jtinn

04-16-02   Alan, just out of curiousity, did you compare the prototype ...   Oneprof

04-16-02   Mr kamm/kwann-thank you for your most excellent posts. it's ...   Mes

04-16-02   John.the 270's are easily strapped into mono, some berning c ...   Allanbhaganinfo

04-16-02   How about this guys, since tenor is in canada, there is the ...   Allanbhaganinfo

04-16-02   To be honest, you guys need to swap out the linn ic and nos- ...   Asa

04-16-02   I feel the only true way to do these comparisons, is at a sh ...   Allanbhaganinfo

04-16-02   I have had a number of e-mails from people interested in kno ...   Allanbhaganinfo

04-16-02   To jtinn and mike: kwann respectfully correct you assumption ...   Kevinkwann

04-16-02   Is not "world class" a debatable issue or is it ab ...   Tubegroover

04-16-02   Kevin....ok...i'll bite....since until about a month ago i o ...   Mikelavigne

04-17-02   Mike please don't bite kwann! if you believe you have ony p ...   Kevinkwann

04-17-02   Kevin, i recieved my 1ds in november 2001, they were the fir ...   Mikelavigne

04-17-02   I've read this thread with great interest. i roamed around ...   sturob@


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